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Female Judge orders Boy stripped in court
« on: Aug 26th, 2011, 11:40am »
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I saw this amusing article on another site.
Though it may not be amusing to everyone.
 
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Aug-28-Sat-2004/news/2464403 4.html
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Re: Female Judge orders Boy stripped in court
« Reply #1 on: Aug 26th, 2011, 12:48pm »
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Fuck that bitch with a cactus Angry
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Re: Female Judge orders Boy stripped in court
« Reply #2 on: Aug 26th, 2011, 4:05pm »
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on Aug 26th, 2011, 11:40am, Bobby_Bare wrote:

 
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Aug-28-Sat-2004/news/2464403 4.html

 
 
She should be stripped naked,shackled to a car from her neck and dragged through the streets for what she did.Forced CFNM is atrocious and should be punished severely. CFNM is something people should be willing participants in.
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Re: Female Judge orders Boy stripped in court
« Reply #3 on: Aug 26th, 2011, 5:22pm »
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on Aug 26th, 2011, 4:05pm, somedude wrote:

 
 
She should be stripped naked,shackled to a car from her neck and dragged through the streets for what she did.Forced CFNM is atrocious and should be punished severely. CFNM is something people should be willing participants in.

 
Agreed - your last sentence is a reason why I am against any reporters in sports changing rooms and have argued against it on both threads on here...
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Re: Female Judge orders Boy stripped in court
« Reply #4 on: Aug 28th, 2011, 8:54pm »
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Reminds me of the scene from The Practice in the episode Home Invasion.  A defendant has filmed one of his tennants nude(Marla Solokoff)and faces a charge of theft of electricity.  When the female judge realizes that the guy put her on the internet she makes him drop his pants in the courtroom.  Of course he isn't wearing any underwear and you see his butt despite that this a tv show.  She comments on how small his penis is and asks if he feels violated and then forces him to face the gallery.  He is to be sentenced the next day but as he bends down to pull his pants up the judge forces him to leave them around his ankles as he's lead out of court we again see his naked butt.
 
This was seriously on network tv.
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 29th, 2011, 1:40am »
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I think there are cases of female judges ordering youths to be stripped in court.
On the respected, and totally documented, Corpun site, if I remember well, it mentions some country in the Caribbean where female judges had the power to order a bare caning in court for youths and young men.
 
Also I remember an account from a youth who was sentenced for a birching/caning in the Isle of Man in UK, where this sentence was common in that part of the UK up to about the 70's, saying that the female judge who sentenced him  was present during his bare punishment.
 
Also on Corpun there are accounts of female office court workers being present to watch the regular bare caning of boys in the court cells in South Africa during the Apartheid era.
And it was no secret that these women enjoyed this forced male nudity and punishments.
There is a thread about this on this forum somewhere, if it still exists.
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Re: Female Judge orders Boy stripped in court
« Reply #6 on: Aug 29th, 2011, 6:05am »
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 29th, 2011, 12:46pm »
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My opinion - this is demonstrative of something more deeply disconcerting, and is about the absolute power these judges have feeling they are beyond reproach.    
 
It was an abuse of her position, and if she is not removed for this, it will be a further travesty of justice.  She should not have the right to be sitting on the bench - that should be an honored position, not one given to an ignorant big vagina going through PMS.
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Re: Female Judge orders Boy stripped in court
« Reply #8 on: Aug 29th, 2011, 6:07pm »
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on Aug 29th, 2011, 12:46pm, Brad wrote:
My opinion - this is demonstrative of something more deeply disconcerting, and is about the absolute power these judges have feeling they are beyond reproach.  
 
It was an abuse of her position, and if she is not removed for this, it will be a further travesty of justice. She should not have the right to be sitting on the bench - that should be an honored position, not one given to an ignorant big vagina going through PMS.

 
And I think we all know that she'll get away with it for no reason other than she is a woman. Any woman threatened with removal can play the sexism card with a good chance of success, just as any non-white in the same position can play the racist card. It is high time people started fighting back against the scourge of excessive political correctness.
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Re: Female Judge orders Boy stripped in court
« Reply #9 on: Aug 30th, 2011, 4:34am »
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I am not saying that this judge did the right thing, but we have to admit that anyone into CFNM, like most of us here, would have found this situation of the guy stripped in court in front of the females present there, a bit exciting, if we happened to be present there.
At least it would have been so for those of us who enjoy forced male nudity in front of females, unfair as it may seem at the time.
 
Well, at least there is no doubt that this female judge was into CFNM, and exercised her position of power to make it happen.
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Re: Female Judge orders Boy stripped in court
« Reply #10 on: Aug 30th, 2011, 12:04pm »
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peterjf,
I couldn't agree more!! We should all fight back against "political correctness"!
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 30th, 2011, 5:20pm »
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on Aug 30th, 2011, 4:34am, Bobby_Bare wrote:
I am not saying that this judge did the right thing, but we have to admit that anyone into CFNM, like most of us here, would have found this situation of the guy stripped in court in front of the females present there, a bit exciting, if we happened to be present there.
At least it would have been so for those of us who enjoy forced male nudity in front of females, unfair as it may seem at the time.
 
Well, at least there is no doubt that this female judge was into CFNM, and exercised her position of power to make it happen.

 
I have a secret sexual desire.  I have to admit that I am very fond of having sexual intercourse with a woman.  (It does not happen very often, but that's another story.)  If I force a woman to have intercourse against her will, I am a rapist.
 
If this judge is into CFNM and uses her power in this way, then surely she should be regarded as a rapist and treated accordingly.
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Re: Female Judge orders Boy stripped in court
« Reply #12 on: Aug 30th, 2011, 5:22pm »
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on Aug 30th, 2011, 12:04pm, SingleDonald wrote:
peterjf,
I couldn't agree more!! We should all fight back against "political correctness"!

 
Thank you!
 
Don't get me wrong - PC is a good force - but no-one knew where to stop, so it has gone way too far and has become a straitjacket for everyone.
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Re: Female Judge orders Boy stripped in court
« Reply #13 on: Aug 30th, 2011, 6:12pm »
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I can bear out the statement of Bobby Bare about the isle of Man :
 
"Also I remember an account from a youth who was sentenced for a birching/caning in the Isle of Man in UK, where this sentence was common in that part of the UK up to about the 70's, saying that the female judge who sentenced him was present during his bare punishment".
 
i have read also several years ago an account about the punishment of young men and girls on this island which had the right to apply its own rules for justice according to the traditions and they were of course different of those applied in  England.  
 
In the far past, both youth genders were punished by cane, boys from 12 age until 21 age, and girls only until 18 age, then it was decided that only boys under 18 age could be caned, never the girls.
 
the caning was always given in a big room of the court in front of the members of the court, the judge of course, but also some old citizens of both genders presumed to be "wise persons", there was also a doctor to be sure that the boy could be caned without any serious dommage, and it was a policeman who caned the boy. So the punishment was given in front of several persons, mainly old persons, and the humiliation of being caned on the bare ass was considered as a part of the punishment of boys.  
it was for a thief for instance or even a lack of respect to old persons or an insult.
 
it seemed to me but I am not sure of what  I have read that in the last years, the caning was restricted to  boys under 16 age and over 12 age, not between 16 and 18 age but even like that it was criticized by the european justice court, and it was eventually abolished by the authorities of the isle of Man even if they had  not agreed with the opinion of the european court because they were members of the council of Europe .  
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Re: Female Judge orders Boy stripped in court
« Reply #14 on: Aug 30th, 2011, 6:38pm »
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Try and imagine if a male judge had done that to a 16 year old female!
He'd be in jail now
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« Reply #15 on: Aug 31st, 2011, 5:31am »
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Hi Easterman,
We haven't heard from you for a long time. Glad you are posting again.
 
As you say, it seems that embarrassment was part of the boys punishment during these canings.
From what I have read themost embarrassing part for these boys was when the doctor gave them a quick medical checkup just before they were tied to the trestle for the caning, which always included a hernia check, sometimes during which some boys would get  an erection, in front of all those spectators/witnesses, including females.
 
Also when the boys were tied up for the caning, which was at least bare from the waist down, they would have everything on display, both front and back.
 
I think that journalists, which would also include female ones,  were also allowed to watch these bare canings. Must have been quite a show for these girls and women.
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« Reply #16 on: Aug 31st, 2011, 5:45am »
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on Aug 30th, 2011, 6:38pm, GH wrote:
Try and imagine if a male judge had done that to a 16 year old female!
He'd be in jail now

 
GH, you must be pleased with this double standard, since your motto says "A women's place is in charge".  Smiley
 
So what if a woman, in whatever office of command she has, orders a male to be stripped naked in front of her?
 
The other way round, like you mention here, would never be acceptable in any society.
That is why I agree with you that we must have a female dominated society.
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 31st, 2011, 2:48pm »
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Not to defend what the judge did, that was clearly out of line, but I am so sick of these punk wanna-be thugs thinking they can wear whatever they want, wherever they want, especially the ridiculous baggy pants.  Most of them expose most of their boxer shorts in public anyway so it probably wasn't a big thing for this kid.  It's not like he was forced to be naked.
 
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« Reply #18 on: Aug 31st, 2011, 2:49pm »
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on Aug 30th, 2011, 5:20pm, peterjf wrote:

 
I have a secret sexual desire. I have to admit that I am very fond of having sexual intercourse with a woman. (It does not happen very often, but that's another story.) If I force a woman to have intercourse against her will, I am a rapist.
 
If this judge is into CFNM and uses her power in this way, then surely she should be regarded as a rapist and treated accordingly.

 
Rape is a horrific crime.  As wrong as the judge's actions may have been, it in no way is the equivalent of raping someone.
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« Reply #19 on: Aug 31st, 2011, 4:12pm »
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on Aug 31st, 2011, 2:49pm, sprocket1986 wrote:

 
Rape is a horrific crime. As wrong as the judge's actions may have been, it in no way is the equivalent of raping someone.

 
Fair enough and a good point.  Perhaps I exaggerated - perhaps it is more the equivalent of an indecent assault in that it was a violation of someone's privacy and decency and may have had a psychological impact in the same way as any other sex crime does - especially given the young age of the victim.
 
Oh except I forgot - he was a boy not a girl, so few people probably care anything about his feelings...
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« Reply #20 on: Aug 31st, 2011, 4:41pm »
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on Aug 31st, 2011, 2:48pm, sprocket1986 wrote:
Not to defend what the judge did, that was clearly out of line, but I am so sick of these punk wanna-be thugs thinking they can wear whatever they want, wherever they want, especially the ridiculous baggy pants. Most of them expose most of their boxer shorts in public anyway so it probably wasn't a big thing for this kid. It's not like he was forced to be naked.  

 
This female judge was in fact not completely out of order. A male defendant is not supposed to appear in court before a judge dressed in a t-shirt with punk messages on it.  
This would be considered as contempt of court, unaceptable by any judge, in any courtroom anywhere.
So this judge was not far wrong in ordering his t-shirt to be taken off.
 
In ordering also his belt to be taken off, I understand that it is not permitted in some states for prisoners to wear belts, for their own safety and that of others.
In fact she could have gone all the way and ordered for his underpants also to be taken off after  his pants fell down, considering  that they were too punky and offensive, from what they look in the picture, to be worn in court.  
 
So give this judge a break. She only did this to give a lesson that the dignity of the court must be respected.
 
Maybe other female judges will follow her example by ordering all males who are not properly attired in a courtroom to  be stripped naked for contempt of court.
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« Reply #21 on: Aug 31st, 2011, 4:49pm »
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on Aug 31st, 2011, 4:41pm, Bobby_Bare wrote:

 
This female judge was in fact not completely out of order. A male defendant is not supposed to appear in court before a judge dressed in a t-shirt with punk messages on it.
This would be considered as contempt of court, unaceptable by any judge, in any courtroom anywhere.
So this judge was not far wrong in ordering his t-shirt to be taken off.
 
In ordering also his belt to be taken off, I understand that it is not permitted in some states for prisoners to wear belts, for their own safety and that of others.
In fact she could have gone all the way and ordered for his underpants also to be taken off after his pants fell down, considering that they were too punky and offensive, from what they look in the picture, to be worn in court.  
 
So give this judge a break. She only did this to give a lesson that the dignity of the court must be respected.
 
Maybe other female judges will follow her example by ordering all males who are not properly attired in a courtroom to be stripped naked for contempt of court.

 
What the...?
 

 
Are you serious?
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Fair enough and a good point. Perhaps I exaggerated - perhaps it is more the equivalent of an indecent assault in that it was a violation of someone's privacy and decency and may have had a psychological impact in the same way as any other sex crime does - especially given the young age of the victim.
 
Oh except I forgot - he was a boy not a girl, so few people probably care anything about his feelings...

 
 
Peter, it is not a matter of feelings. This judge had no choice. It was either have his clothes taken off him, or fine him or give him extra prison time for breaking court rules.
So she was actually good to him, because she saved him the extra punishment.
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« Reply #23 on: Aug 31st, 2011, 4:56pm »
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Copy this shit and post it to another site which is not a porn site and ask them what they think about it. It makes no sense to talk with cfnm fans about a female stripping a guy.
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on Aug 31st, 2011, 4:49pm, getdare wrote:

 
What the...?
 

 
Are you serious?

 
Yes, very serious, because I am taking this from a logical point of view, and not from an emotional one, as you seem to be doing.
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« Reply #25 on: Aug 31st, 2011, 5:02pm »
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on Aug 31st, 2011, 4:57pm, Bobby_Bare wrote:

 
Yes, very serious, because I am taking this from a logical point of view, and not from an emotional one, as you seem to be doing.

 
I don't listen to 50 or g-unit but I think that we all have the right to wear what the fuck we want. A lot of people in Germany wear g-unit stuff and they never got stripped.
 
As I said, copy this and ask on Yahoo! Answers or Reddit what they think about this.
 
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« Reply #26 on: Aug 31st, 2011, 5:17pm »
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Yes, very serious, because I am taking this from a logical point of view, and not from an emotional one, as you seem to be doing.

 
So, should we conclude that this judge's superiors, who suspended her one month w/o pay and barred her from hearing juvenile cases in the future, are just being illogical and overly emotional?
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« Reply #27 on: Aug 31st, 2011, 5:41pm »
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on Aug 31st, 2011, 4:41pm, Bobby_Bare wrote:

 
This female judge was in fact not completely out of order. A male defendant is not supposed to appear in court before a judge dressed in a t-shirt with punk messages on it.
This would be considered as contempt of court, unaceptable by any judge, in any courtroom anywhere.
So this judge was not far wrong in ordering his t-shirt to be taken off.
 
In ordering also his belt to be taken off, I understand that it is not permitted in some states for prisoners to wear belts, for their own safety and that of others.
In fact she could have gone all the way and ordered for his underpants also to be taken off after his pants fell down, considering that they were too punky and offensive, from what they look in the picture, to be worn in court.  
 
So give this judge a break. She only did this to give a lesson that the dignity of the court must be respected.
 
Maybe other female judges will follow her example by ordering all males who are not properly attired in a courtroom to be stripped naked for contempt of court.

 
And if a female defendant appears in the court of a male judge inappropriately dressed... ?
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« Reply #28 on: Aug 31st, 2011, 5:44pm »
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This female judge was in fact not completely out of order. A male defendant is not supposed to appear in court before a judge dressed in a t-shirt with punk messages on it.
This would be considered as contempt of court, unaceptable by any judge, in any courtroom anywhere.
So this judge was not far wrong in ordering his t-shirt to be taken off.
 
In ordering also his belt to be taken off, I understand that it is not permitted in some states for prisoners to wear belts, for their own safety and that of others.
In fact she could have gone all the way and ordered for his underpants also to be taken off after his pants fell down, considering that they were too punky and offensive, from what they look in the picture, to be worn in court.  
 
So give this judge a break. She only did this to give a lesson that the dignity of the court must be respected.
 
Maybe other female judges will follow her example by ordering all males who are not properly attired in a courtroom to be stripped naked for contempt of court.

 
The opinion of this thread seems to be that the judge was into CFNM. If that is the case, then surely she has acted in the way she did at least partly for sexual reasons.
 
What did that do for the dignity of the court?
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« Reply #29 on: Sep 1st, 2011, 4:33am »
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an  answer to "Bobby Bare" about the isle of Man for the old rules of corporal punishment of boys applied during a long time in the past and until recent years  .
 
He asked that "I think that journalists, which would also include female ones,  were also allowed to watch these bare canings. Must have been quite a show for these girls and women"
 
In the papers that I have read, the presence of journalists was not mentioned. The reporters talked of what had be related to them, not what they had seen.
So I don't believe that female reporters could have  been attendants of bare canings of boys.
 
The same for girls : I don't believe that some girls could be present, it was rather older women as I have said.The members of a council of wise persons who could watch to the bare canings was composed of old persons of both genders.
 
So there was women but not young ones, only women who could have been mothers or grand mothers of the boys..
 
The idea of a show for girls and women is not exact in my opinion.
 
 
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« Reply #30 on: Sep 1st, 2011, 4:47am »
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Even if I don't think that the female judge could  instruct to the boy to remove some of his clothes, at least from the point of view of the right, I agree with what has been written by "Sprocket 1986"
 
"Not to defend what the judge did, that was clearly out of line, but I am so sick of these punk wanna-be thugs thinking they can wear whatever they want, wherever they want, especially the ridiculous baggy pants.  Most of them expose most of their boxer shorts in public anyway so it probably wasn't a big thing for this kid.  It's not like he was forced to be naked".
 
it is true that  appropriate clothes are necessary when you go in front of a court of justice, so the reaction of the judge was not so inappropriate or stupid!
 
And the boy was not stripped, it is exaggerate to say that he was submitted to a great humiliation.
 
it is true also to say that it is stupid to compare this  situation with a rape.
 
Anyway, this kind of situations will  not happen if the school of today would be more strict about the clothes of the young persons when they come to schools but it is an other issue.
 
The freedom and the individual rights must be respected of course but until a certain limit,not if they do not respect some social rules which are also important.  
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« Reply #31 on: Sep 1st, 2011, 12:28pm »
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Actually this is the first thing that is done when a prisoner enters a prison, or in this case a juvenile detention centre for teens.
His clothes are all taken off, given a thorough naked body inspection, and probably also a shower, very frequently in the presence of female staff.
And this is considered not only legal, but no one seems to object about it, except maybe a very few of the prisoners themselves.
Probably this judge saved the boy the worse trauma of having to be stripped naked in a much more aggressive environment of a juvenile detention centre.
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on Aug 31st, 2011, 5:44pm, peterjf wrote:

 
The opinion of this thread seems to be that the judge was into CFNM. If that is the case, then surely she has acted in the way she did at least partly for sexual reasons.
 
What did that do for the dignity of the court?

 
Personally I don't think the judge did what she did for any sort of sexual gratification, I think she really was just ticked at what he chose to wear to court.
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on Aug 31st, 2011, 5:02pm, getdare wrote:

 
I don't listen to 50 or g-unit but I think that we all have the right to wear what the fuck we want. A lot of people in Germany wear g-unit stuff and they never got stripped.
 
As I said, copy this and ask on Yahoo! Answers or Reddit what they think about this.
 
I'm writing from my phone, I would do that if I was at my computer.

 
For the first part of your comment, what people wear in Germany is irrelevant.  A lot of people here wear rapper clothing without getting stripped.
 
As for posting this issue on another website, my guess is you'll probably get a mix of responses.  Some people will obviously be angry with what the judge did, some will applaud her for her impatience with gangster clothing and baggy pants, some will think it's funny, some will be outraged...kind of what you see here, actually.  
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« Reply #34 on: Sep 1st, 2011, 3:27pm »
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on Aug 31st, 2011, 4:56pm, getdare wrote:
Copy this shit and post it to another site which is not a porn site and ask them what they think about it. It makes no sense to talk with cfnm fans about a female stripping a guy.

 
That's an interesting and condescending statement.  Just because we're on this forum because we share a common interest, doesn't mean we're all for any situation in which a female orders a male to undress.  It also doesn't mean we're blind to issues like abuse of power and judicial authority.
 
From what I see, this thread has for the most part been an intelligent discussion of the issues raised by the incident.  Your comment makes it seem like you feel you're alone fighting for justice against a pack of drooling pervs, while it seems like most of the comments here are actually on your side.
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« Reply #35 on: Sep 1st, 2011, 5:16pm »
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Just try it. The registration on Reddit takes only 10 seconds if less, you don't even have to confirm your e-mail address. Tell them that you are from this cfnm site and that you'd like to know what they think about this. You can ask here.
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« Reply #36 on: Sep 1st, 2011, 5:43pm »
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"Bobby Bare"  
you cannot compare a juvenile center of detention and a court of justice.
 
what can be considered as logical such as a stripping of a boy for a corporal search in a juvenile center is normally not admitted in a court of justice.
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« Reply #37 on: Sep 2nd, 2011, 4:45am »
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on Sep 1st, 2011, 4:33am, easter_man_10 wrote:
an answer to "Bobby Bare" about the isle of Man for the old rules of corporal punishment of boys applied during a long time in the past and until recent years .
 
He asked that "I think that journalists, which would also include female ones, were also allowed to watch these bare canings. Must have been quite a show for these girls and women"
 
In the papers that I have read, the presence of journalists was not mentioned. The reporters talked of what had be related to them, not what they had seen.
So I don't believe that female reporters could have been attendants of bare canings of boys.
 
The same for girls : I don't believe that some girls could be present, it was rather older women as I have said.The members of a council of wise persons who could watch to the bare canings was composed of old persons of both genders.
 
So there was women but not young ones, only women who could have been mothers or grand mothers of the boys..
 
The idea of a show for girls and women is not exact in my opinion.
 
 

 
Easterman, I am not sure of who was allowed or not to watch these canings of boys. I will do some research about it when I have the time, and post it here.
It could have been something similar to the judicial canings of boys in South Africa, where to quote the report "these canings were supposed to be in private, but there were usually some spectators present, including women, mostly young ones, who worked as clerks in the court where these canings were held."
It also states that there was no doubt that these women went specifically to enjoy the young male forced nudity.
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« Reply #38 on: Sep 2nd, 2011, 5:58pm »
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on Sep 2nd, 2011, 4:45am, Bobby_Bare wrote:

 
Easterman, I am not sure of who was allowed or not to watch these canings of boys. I will do some research about it when I have the time, and post it here.
It could have been something similar to the judicial canings of boys in South Africa, where to quote the report "these canings were supposed to be in private, but there were usually some spectators present, including women, mostly young ones, who worked as clerks in the court where these canings were held."
It also states that there was no doubt that these women went specifically to enjoy the young male forced nudity.

 
Women enjoying watching male nudity is one thing, but nudity involving canings is different and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that, personally.  To me there's a dark side to enjoying watching anyone get beaten, whether nude or not.
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« Reply #39 on: Sep 3rd, 2011, 2:42am »
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on Sep 2nd, 2011, 5:58pm, sprocket1986 wrote:

 
Women enjoying watching male nudity is one thing, but nudity involving canings is different and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that, personally. To me there's a dark side to enjoying watching anyone get beaten, whether nude or not.

 
I definitely agree with that. I certainly don't want to see anyone being beaten, under any circumstances.
But one must remember that these court ordered canings of youth were an alternative to sending them to prison, or locked up in some juvenile facility.
I wonder which one of these one would have chosen.
One must also realize that these canings were usually no more than 6 lashes, sometimes less, especially for the younger boys.
Painful as it may have been it would be over in a few minutes and the boy sent home straight away.
Remember that these canings were for criminal offences, and not for fun.
Also these canings were always done under the watchful eye of a doctor, who could stop the caning any time.
 
Interestingly this officer said that in spite of the embarrassment these boys were usually relieved at the presence of these outside witnesses, because at least it made sure that no abuses in the canings were done, which could happen if it was just the caning officers present in the cell.
 
About the forced nudity I am not completely against it, if it is justified, whether as part of a punishment, or as a punishment in itself, or as a monitoriing like in showers, stripsearching, etc., especially if it is in front of females.  Smiley
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Re: Female Judge orders Boy stripped in court
« Reply #40 on: Sep 6th, 2011, 3:22pm »
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on Sep 3rd, 2011, 2:42am, Bobby_Bare wrote:

 
I definitely agree with that. I certainly don't want to see anyone being beaten, under any circumstances.
But one must remember that these court ordered canings of youth were an alternative to sending them to prison, or locked up in some juvenile facility.
I wonder which one of these one would have chosen.
One must also realize that these canings were usually no more than 6 lashes, sometimes less, especially for the younger boys.
Painful as it may have been it would be over in a few minutes and the boy sent home straight away.
Remember that these canings were for criminal offences, and not for fun.
Also these canings were always done under the watchful eye of a doctor, who could stop the caning any time.
 
Interestingly this officer said that in spite of the embarrassment these boys were usually relieved at the presence of these outside witnesses, because at least it made sure that no abuses in the canings were done, which could happen if it was just the caning officers present in the cell.
 
About the forced nudity I am not completely against it, if it is justified, whether as part of a punishment, or as a punishment in itself, or as a monitoriing like in showers, stripsearching, etc., especially if it is in front of females. Smiley

 
Although I've never been caned in front of anyone, I had an interesting experience a few years back that I posted about, where a post-op nurse checked on my dressings while I was still in a lot of pain and in a haze from the meds.  It was a bilateral inguinal hernia surgery so when she lifted my gown/drape to check things out, she could see everything.  In my drug and pain induced haze, I noticed she had a smile on her face whenever she checked on me; and when I was more coherent I saw that someone (maybe her, maybe not) had drawn childlike pictures on my dressings, even though I was a grown man.  So what I had thought was amusement at seeing my privates was also laughter at seeing someone's little joke.
 
Anyways, my point is that the combination of being in pain and in an embarrassing situation while being exposed and helpless in front of a clothed female makes for a very intense CFNM feeling.  It's not for everyone and it's not something I would ever voluntarily enter into; but it will always be one of my most memorable CFNM experiences.
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« Reply #41 on: Feb 15th, 2012, 3:32pm »
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I think you guys are missing the point.  We should all go hang out in this court and wear that same Tshirt!  Wink
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« Reply #42 on: Feb 15th, 2012, 4:18pm »
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In California we have the Commission on Judicial Performance. In Nevada there is a Commission on Judicial Discipline. I would imagine the procedures are the same there. All they need is a complaint to start an investigation. Any one of you could initiate the process.
 
Here the Chief Judge took control and imposed a sanction on the Judge--a month without pay and removal from the juvenile panel. I would bet this was done in telephonic consultation with the Commission on Judicial Discipline in Carson City.
 
The difference is that in California she would have had her ass handed to her on a platter for such behavior. But this was Nevada...perhaps a state that is a bit more backwater? ? ?
 
Incidentally, long ago I was Bar Counsel for the Arizona State Bar Disciplinary Commission. Always remember, a judge (as opposed to a Justice of the Peace) must be a licensed lawyer. Another avenue is a Bar complaint on her license.
 
The day is long over when judges can behave like this.
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« Reply #43 on: Feb 15th, 2012, 10:20pm »
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on Feb 15th, 2012, 3:32pm, YerKiddin wrote:
I think you guys are missing the point. We should all go hang out in this court and wear that same Tshirt! Wink

 
And a pair of shorts or baggy pants, with no underwear benreath,  to be ordered to be taken off too.   Grin
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« Reply #44 on: Feb 15th, 2012, 11:51pm »
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I'm with you, MW! There is a time & place for CFNM, but not in a courtroom.  
If I was a court officer, I would decline compliance if this judge directed me to strip anybody, male or female. I learned that, in 1969, the officers in Judge Julius Hoffman's courtroom were not under the judge's authority. Therefore, if any had declined to bind & gag Bobby Seale, during the Chicago 8 (later 7) Trial, Judge Hoffman wouldn't have been able to do anything to them, directly. He may have reported them to their superiors, and it would have been up to them whether or not to punish the disobeying court officers.
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« Reply #45 on: Feb 16th, 2012, 12:28pm »
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on Feb 15th, 2012, 11:51pm, SingleDonald wrote:
I'm with you, MW! There is a time & place for CFNM, but not in a courtroom.

 
I'll grant you that *I* should never initiate CFNM in a courtroom.  On the other hand, I should enjoy the hell out of it, should the judge herself order me undressed.  Wink
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« Reply #46 on: Feb 16th, 2012, 10:25pm »
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on Feb 15th, 2012, 11:51pm, SingleDonald wrote:
I'm with you, MW! There is a time & place for CFNM, but not in a courtroom.  
If I was a court officer, I would decline compliance if this judge directed me to strip anybody, male or female. I learned that, in 1969, the officers in Judge Julius Hoffman's courtroom were not under the judge's authority. Therefore, if any had declined to bind & gag Bobby Seale, during the Chicago 8 (later 7) Trial, Judge Hoffman wouldn't have been able to do anything to them, directly. He may have reported them to their superiors, and it would have been up to them whether or not to punish the disobeying court officers.

 
I think you are wrong. Everyone in a courtroom,including police officers, are under the authority of the judge.
Even it was the President of the United States in a court room he would still be under the authority of the presiding judge.
A judge can order the arrest of anyone in a courtroom.
 
In this case the officers had to comply with what the female judge ordered, whether it was lawful or not.
 
I also do not agree with your stand,and some others, on this case.  The boy was in contempt of court for being dressed inappropriately in court. As I said in a previous post the judge could have either fined him or given him prison time for it, but opted to take off his clothes instead. So she wasn't being cruel to him at all, but saved him the harsher penalties.
This is the way I see it anyway.
 
 
 
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« Reply #47 on: Feb 17th, 2012, 1:39pm »
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on Feb 16th, 2012, 10:25pm, BobbyBare wrote:

 
I think you are wrong. Everyone in a courtroom,including police officers, are under the authority of the judge.
Even it was the President of the United States in a court room he would still be under the authority of the presiding judge.
A judge can order the arrest of anyone in a courtroom.
 
In this case the officers had to comply with what the female judge ordered, whether it was lawful or not.
 
I also do not agree with your stand,and some others, on this case. The boy was in contempt of court for being dressed inappropriately in court. As I said in a previous post the judge could have either fined him or given him prison time for it, but opted to take off his clothes instead. So she wasn't being cruel to him at all, but saved him the harsher penalties.
This is the way I see it anyway.

 
As to the standards issue BB, and whether or not the judge acted right and proper, of course this is a matter of opinion. I'm one of those who does not think it was appropriate, and the Chief Judge of the Nevada Court apparently also disapproved because sanctions were imposed.
 
As far as authority is concerned, Judges do have control, but only of the case at hand. That is why when a judge wants to impose a contempt citation a separate hearing is required.  Demeanor in the courtroom (what the kid was wearing) is a separate issue from what the kid was on trial for.  It's a fine line, but one that is necessary to maintain due process of law.
 
I have caused several judges to be removed for conflict-of-interest, bias...and inappropriate conduct. Hell, you can strike a judge anytime for nothing other than you don't like him or her...but within a time limit. And for cause, you can move to remove a judge from a case anytime.  Also, did you know that judges can now be sued in civil courts?
 
A couple of years back in CA an appellate court imposed sanctions upon a trial judge for repeatedly issuing judgments contrary the law as established by cases. A huge uproar went up because it smacked of simply not liking an opinion, where differing opinions is the essence of law. But the judge had repeatedly and arbitrarily refused to obey this one edict, and the appellate panel had had enough.
 
The pseudo-sexual overtones of the incident we've been discussing is more than ample justification for sanctioning the judge.
 
Just by way of examples, a female judge used to carry a handgun on her person. She was known to berate male attorneys, and threaten to 'blow their balls off.' She was finally reported and got removed on the spot. I don't know if there were bar charges. Recently in Contra Costa County a judge was disciplined for telling an Asian attorney he should get speech/diction lessons. So there are all kinds of examples.
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« Reply #48 on: Feb 18th, 2012, 12:32pm »
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MW, I  am not saying that it was appropriate, but just that the judge gave the boy the soft option,.
In fact she risked getting disciplined herself for the action.
She could just have "appropriately" have the boy arrested and removed from court, and fined for contempt of court.
Given the choice I wonder how many in the boy's place would have chosen the latter instead of the former punishment.
 
So hands up to this female judge who saved the boy's ass, by showing his ass in court.  Smiley
Not to mention the viewing pleasure she might have  given to the females present in court.  Smiley
 
If it was up to me I would make this procedure legal in a courtroom. For males only of course. It would not be "appropriate" if applied to females. But very appropriate in the case of arrogant and careless men.
 
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on Feb 16th, 2012, 12:28pm, YerKiddin wrote:

 
I'll grant you that *I* should never initiate CFNM in a courtroom. On the other hand, I should enjoy the hell out of it, should the judge herself order me undressed. Wink

 
Next time you are in a court case take the risk and go shaggily dressed, hoping for a sympathetic female judge.  Grin
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