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Dont know how I missed it, perhaps I am the only one to do so. In the thread KAVA CULTURES, BOBBY BARE in the second post provides a link concerning boys being circumcised. I certainly dont agree with any youngster being abused but it seems these people have gone off the deep end. In these peoples minds, the practice is a total pornographic thing. Does not matter that the parents totally approve and I am sure a local pain killer is used, these zelots are totally against the practice. I would consider them to be dangerous people. Would appreciate others views.  
  Am happy mine was done at birth but in some cultures it is delayed. A side note, have recently discovered that female circumcision is becoming popular in the US. Is a voluntary thing done by adults.   LEO C
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 15th, 2010, 12:15pm »
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Don't the jews call it a bris (a.ka. brit milah)?   Of course, the jews do it when he's 8 days old.
 
We are challenged when to criticize a culture, and when we should back off and say, well, we're different.    Genital mutilation happens in India as well, but is a circumcision on young girls wherein the labia is removed.    
 
There are a lot of custom and cultures we find offensive, but I believe we must take a back seat and not be too ready to condemn - ***unless*** it is abusive to children or others.   And these customs, in my opinion, step over the line.   They are uncivilized and simply cruel.
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on Dec 15th, 2010, 12:15pm, Brad wrote:
... Genital mutilation happens in India as well, but is a circumcision on young girls wherein the labia is removed ....

I'm surprised to learn this.  I didn't think that Indian culture was interested in suppressing female sexuality -- isn't that the rationale?
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From what I have learned in the past 2 day. Women are having this done to enhance sexuality. Its all new to me. Think I will do more reading into it.  LEO C
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Dont know how I missed it, perhaps I am the only one to do so. In the thread KAVA CULTURES, BOBBY BARE in the second post provides a link concerning boys being circumcised.

 
Yes, there’s quite a movement in the US to curb circumcision.    In the 1960’s somewhere around 90% of boys were circumcised.  Today it has been reduced to 57% of boys.   The US is the only country that practices circumcision for secular reasons.  It was started in the Victorian era by a slightly eccentric naturopath, Dr. John H. Kellogg, who ran a Seventh Day Adventist clinic in Battle Creek MI (yes, he invented a health food known as corn flakes).  He started circumcision as a means of “curbing the evils of masturbation.”   This was during the Victorian era, where people thought masturbation caused blindness and other deformities.  The foreskin has 80% of the erogenous nerve receptors of the penis:
 
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The foreskin is what's known as a specific erogenous zone. This means that it is richly equipped with a high density and concentration of specialized and sophisticated nerve receptors that convey pleasure. The only other specific erogenous zones on the male body are the conjunctiva of the eye, lips, nipples, perianal skin, and the head of the penis. The presence of specialized erogenous nerve receptors makes this part of the body especially important.  
 
The primary zones of erotogenous sensitivity are the frenulum, ridged mucosa, the preputial orifice, and the external fold of the foreskin. all of these zones are orgasmic triggers. continuous and gentle stimulation of any one of these areas can elicit pleasure, orgasm, and ejaculation.  Fleiss/Hodges

 
So circumcision was widely used to stop masturbation.  Didn’t work, but by then it was too late anyway.  Cry Generally, the British and Europeans don’t do circumcision unless clinically indicated.  So it’s just the reverse there.
 
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I certainly dont agree with any youngster being abused but it seems these people have gone off the deep end. In these peoples minds, the practice is a total pornographic thing.

 
I think that overstates it a little bit.  Take a look at a web site known as “Doctors Opposed to Circumcision” and you’ll see the reasons why you shouldn’t do routine circumcisions.  Every orifice of the body, except two (nose and ear), has got some form of labia.  The foreskin, technically known as the prepuce, is just one.  In fact, studies show that removal of it leads to increased frequency of bladder and urethral infection, but not dramatic.  Imagine if you surgically removed someone’s eyelids.  You would expect a greater incidence of infection, wouldn’t you?
 
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Does not matter that the parents totally approve and I am sure a local pain killer is used, these zelots are totally against the practice.

 
Parental approval does not make a wrong, right.  If parents removed the child’s eyelids don’t you think the State would step in?  Medical science was pretty primitive back in the 1880’s.  Bloodletting, applying leaches…a lot of silly practices that are frowned upon today.  Routine circumcision was just a part of the quackery.  But it was so widespread that as of today it is a part of the social mythology.  
 
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Aa side note, have recently discovered that female circumcision is becoming popular in the us. is a voluntary thing done by adults.

 
Women don’t get circumcised (technically, the term means circular rescission).    They don’t have round penises.  They do have similar procedures for women: clitorectomies like they do in Africa are outlawed in the US, unless clinically indicated; some women have rather pronounced labia and will undergo a labia rescission; the closest thing to a circumcision on a female is a hoodectomy.  Women do have a prepuce, commonly called a hood.  It is a small fold of skin that surrounds the clitoris.  If clinically indicated they might choose to remove it.
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I thought it was a convent between GOD and Jews. The Jews marked their flesh with to symbolize their faith. Since the Bible tells Abraham to mark his flesh, Christians adopted this as well.  The guy who said it was to stop masturbation thought that because the Bible called for it. It was just his view on the passage nothing more.
 
There is a movement to stop it for some reason. Some doctors continue to say it’s primarily cosmetic and you shouldn’t get it done.  I disagree with that stance. It is cosmetic of course, but if you feel that it may benefit you child later in life, then you should do it. Some women thin uncircumcised penises are ugly.
 
Some Jews elect to have it done to their children when they are older. It is a choice to join God’s covenant, not be forced in at birth. Note I said some Jews, because some do it at birth also.
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I thought it was a convent between GOD and Jews. The Jews marked their flesh with to symbolize their faith. Since the Bible tells Abraham to mark his flesh, Christians adopted this as well.

 
Not just for Jews, but for Muslims as well.  As the Apostle Paul tried to spread the word of Christ, the Greeks heard of circumcision and said, ‘WHOA, ouch, no way dude!! Shocked So Paul was the one who dropped it for Christians.  The US is a small pocket of Christianity that has reintroduced the practice….but, as I say, for secular reasons.
 
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There is a movement to stop it for some reason. Some doctors continue to say it’s primarily cosmetic and you shouldn’t get it done.  I disagree with hat stance. It is cosmetic of course, but if you feel that it may benefit you child later in life, then you should do it. Some women thin uncircumcised penises are ugly.

 
It is only cosmetic.  There is no justification for circumcision being done routinely at all.  It is a surgical procedure that can help some abnormalities, but these are rare conditions.  The other rationalizations that have been cooked up to justify the practice–for example, hygiene—have all been debunked. The penis is cleaner with the foreskin than without it.
 
I should clarify: There are two issues, here.  One is that circumcision should not be done unless medically warranted.  This is the medical issue and revolves primarily around educating the US public that they are pursuing an illusion.  The second is that no medical procedure—much less an unnecessary one—should be forced upon an individual.  A child should not be circumcised until he is of the age of consent.  Then let him make up his own mind.  The primary emphasis is not to stop circumcision, but to stop forced circumcision.
 
Aesthetics are a matter of choice…and usually are acquired from the culture in which one is raised.    When I lived in Europe, British and European women tended to prefer the uncut penis.  One French woman I met described the uncircumcised penis as a flower, whereas the circumcised one had all of its pedals torn off.  That’s just a matter of taste.
 
Then there's the debate about performance.  But we can discuss that later. Cheesy
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In the ancient world circumcision was practically unknown, except for Jews, and was considered as mutilation by the Greeks and Romans.  
There is an intersting scene in one movie about Spartacus, I think, where some Roman noblemen's wives were touring a gladiator school and when it was mentioned that one slave gladiator was a Jew they asked to see him without his loincloth, because they had never seen a circumcised penis before. They commented that the Jews were cruel to mutilate their children like that.
It remained like that until Victorian times, as mentioned above, when it was used to curb masturbation among boys, though it was rarely done, except when it took over in America. Although Muslims in the Middle East also adopted the practice like the Jews, much later of course since it was a new religion.
Also of note is that there are practically no paintings or statues of nude males with a circumcised penis. These would only exist in very modern times and very recently in some modern art, and only in a few cases. It was considered as vulgar, and still is in many societies, to expose the penis head.
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Yes.  The Greeks actually competed in athletic events in the nude.  This was because of the definition of nudity.  According to custom of the time, true nudity was the glans, not the enclosed penis.  So for them, they were not nude.
 
Most cultures in Europe stil have this bias, although they don't realize whence it comes.  Americans who frequent the nude beaches there don't realize that when they disrobe there's an instant bias against them.  That is unfortunate.
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Yes.  The Greeks actually competed in athletic events in the nude.  This was because of the definition of nudity.  According to custom of the time, true nudity was the glans, not the enclosed penis.  So for them, they were not nude.

 
In fact Jews were barred from taking part in these athletic events, which were very popular throughout the Roman Empire.
Most towns everywhere had a stadium where these nude athletic events were held. In towns which didn't they were held in the street, and yes, girls and women would be watching these nude races. Females were only forbidden to attend at the Olympic games and a few other places, which was a religious festival anyway. It is a mistake to think that this was the only place where male nude athletics took place, far from it.
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 Hey guys. In the catholic church, JAN 1 is the FEAST OF THE CIRCUMCISION. The practice was certainly not restricted to JEWS and ARIABS. When I was growing up, all boys ( eastern europeian, italyians, irish, blacks ) were circumcised. I did not know what an uncut penis looked like till I saw one in the barracks shower in basictraining.  LEO C  PS, was just recently told that the feast of the circumcision has been changed and called something else.
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There is a Feast of the Circumcision of Our Lord.  Jesus was circumcised.  He was born into a Jewish family, after all.  The occasion is in celebration of the first spilling of Christ’s blood.  No circumcisions take place during this feast.  Circumcision is a Jewish/Muslim ritual, not Christian.
 
I lived in Spain, France and Greece for years and traveled extensively throughout Europe (and North Africa and the Middle East).  Brits and Europeans are overwhelmingly uncircumcisized.  Every bathroom you go into…every urinal you stand at…you have the evidence everywhere.
 
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When I was growing up, all boys ( eastern europeian, italyians, irish, blacks ) were circumcised.

 
Did you grow up in the US, leo?  I suspect so.  So you are talking about immigrants, not actually people living in those countries.  You are describing the US.  In the US a secular movement took place during the Victorian era, where Americans were convinced that circumcision would curb masturbation.  It was not a religious event.  It was just primitive medicine.
 
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The circumcision of Jesus has traditionally been seen, as explained in the popular 14th century work the Golden Legend, as the first time the blood of Christ was shed, and thus the beginning of the process of the redemption of man, and a demonstration that Christ was fully human, and of his obedience to Biblical law.
 
The feast day appears on 1 January in the liturgical calendar of the Eastern Orthodox Church It also appears in the pre-1960 General Roman Calendar, and is celebrated by some churches of the Anglican Communion and virtually all Lutheran churches.
 
The Feast of the Circumcision of Our Lord is a Christian celebration of the circumcision of Jesus, eight days (according to the Semitic and southern European calculation of intervals of days) after his birth, the occasion on which the child was formally given his name, Jesus, a name derived from Hebrew meaning "salvation" or "saviour".
 
The circumcision of Jesus has traditionally been seen, as explained in the popular 14th century work the Golden Legend, as the first time the blood of Christ was shed, and thus the beginning of the process of the redemption of man, and a demonstration that Christ was fully human, and of his obedience to Biblical law.
 
The feast day appears on 1 January in the liturgical calendar of the Eastern Orthodox Church. It also appears in the pre-1960 General Roman Calendar, and is celebrated by some churches of the Anglican Communion and virtually all Lutheran churches.
 
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The feast is celebrated with an All-Night Vigil, beginning the evening of December 31. The hymns of the feast are combined with those for Saint Basil the Great. After the Divine Liturgy the next morning, Russian Orthodox churches often celebrate a New Year Molieben (service of intercession) to pray for God's blessing for the beginning of the civil New Year (Orthodox commemorate the Indiction, or Ecclesiastical New Year, on September 1).
 
On the Julian calendar, 1 January will correspond, until 2100, to 14 January on the Gregorian Calendar. Accordingly, in Russia, 14 January in the civil calendar is known as "The Old New Year", since it corresponds to 1 January in the Julian Calendar, still used by the Church.
 
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Until the 15th century the Catholic Church also celebrated the Circumcision and what is now the Feast of the Holy Name of Jesus together. The emphasis on the latter in the preaching of Saint Bernardino of Siena appears to be the origin of the de-coupling. Until 1960, the General Roman Calendar gave 1 January as the Feast of the Circumcision of the Lord and the Octave of the Nativity. In the 1960 revision by Pope John XXIII, included in his 1962 Roman Missal (whose continued use is authorized by the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum), 1 January is denominated simply the Octave of the Nativity. Since 1969, the General Roman Calendar celebrates 1 January as the Solemnity of Mary, the Mother of God, referring to it also as the Octave of the Nativity.
 
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The Church of England's Book of Common Prayer liturgy celebrates this day as the Circumcision of Christ. The newer Common Worship liturgy observes this day as a Festival called the Naming and Circumcision of Jesus.
 
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Since it was a feast of Christ and related directly to Scriptural passages (notably Luke 2:21), the Feast of Circumcision was retained by churches of the Lutheran Reformation. It remains on most Lutheran liturgical calendars to this day, although there has been a general move to call it "The Name of Jesus." Martin Luther preached at least one notable sermon on this feast day which is still available in his Church Postils, and up until the late 1970's, Lutheran hymnbooks would contain several hymns relating to this subject.

 
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 MW, you are quite correct that I am talking about the US. I grew up about midway between NYC and PHILLY. Most all the children I grew up with had grandparents who  came from what was refered to as THE OTHER SIDE. The majority originated in eastern european countries as well as ITALY and IRELAND, where the catholic religion dominated. Some POLES and RUSSIAN where what was called eastern or russian orthadox which was pretty close to the ROMAN church. The germans were mostly LUTHERN, also somewhat similar to the ROMAN church, as well as EPISCOPALIANS. ( boy my spelin sucks !!) All of us boys were circumcised and naturally the jewish boys were. I do not believe the practice was started by someone in the 18 hundreds to stop boys from mastrubating. That was in the US, how about the rest of the world?  
  Speaking of the rest of the world, how about central and south america? My understanding, the catholic religion influenced the cultures there big time by the SPANISH missionaries. Other side of the world, my experience limited to SAMOA, all the boys we circumcised, am sure at birth. In the little research I have done, I never saw any reference to a ritual of circumcision done there as opposed to some of the other islands where it is performed on adolecents, which is what we hear about when mutuliation is mentioned.  
  I cant agree with the VICTORIAN influence of morals in the US, but I might not have know it when I saw it. The VICTORIANS were british. Think there was a big fight between the ROMAN church and the BRITISH KING years ago, created animosities that last to this day. IRELAND and NORTHER IRELAND. The eastern as well a southern, ITALY and SPAIN, european cultures, being predominately ROMAN, would have rejected the BRITISH influence. Am just guessing, before my time, interesting subject.  regards  LEO C
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 I forgot to mention, in the middle 50s, there was the HUNGARIAN revolution and an awful lot of immigrants came thru CAMP KILMER which was close to me. ELLIS ISLAND had been closed down. Quite a few settled and thrived in that area, and assimilated very well. The young boys would go to the the Y or swimming holes and all were circumcised.  LEO C
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MW,
 
You are correct beauty ranges from culture to culture. Here in the US having an uncut penis is considered gross by most women. At least form what I have gathered in my life. Parents when told that there is no benefit from being circumcised still balk because of the cosmetic aspect. They are concerned for the child later in life. I don’t blame them since they live in the US. It just depends on where you live and what you find beautiful.
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on Dec 15th, 2010, 7:09pm, leo_c wrote:
 Hey guys. In the catholic church, JAN 1 is the FEAST OF THE CIRCUMCISION. The practice was certainly not restricted to JEWS and ARIABS. When I was growing up, all boys ( eastern europeian, italyians, irish, blacks ) were circumcised. I did not know what an uncut penis looked like till I saw one in the barracks shower in basictraining.  LEO C  PS, was just recently told that the feast of the circumcision has been changed and called something else.    

 
Leo, the Catholic church never celebrated any feast called the feast of circumcision. It was called the "Presentation at the temple", to cover the fact that it was in fact the day soon after Jesus' birth when he was taken to the temple to be circumcised, as was the Jewish custom.  
I was brought up as a Catholic and circumcision of Jesus was never mentioned by the church, as I said it was simply called the feast of the presentation at the temple.
The Catholic church was traditionally anti-jewish, and is one reason why they discouraged circumcision. In fact in many places in Europe Jews were forced to convert to Christianity or lose their citizenship.  
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 I attended catholic grammar school from 50 to 58, and it sure was a HOLY DAY then. As I mentioned, someone here  stated that the name has been changed. Suggest you do a wiki-peda search, it is all right there. Now all the grammar school girls have no reason to say the word CIRCUMCISION.  LEO C
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 Thought I might have been a bit overractive when I accused that site as being a bunch of ZELOTS. Went back and reread it and it only reinforced my opinion. Talk about them pulling out all the stops, and going so far as to accuse the practice of being borderline child porn and violating UN rules. I consider it as being an insult to my intelligence.  
  Would consider it akain to PETA accusing me of supporting BEASTALITY because I had my cat declawed.  LEO C
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 I attended catholic grammar school from 50 to 58, and it sure was a HOLY DAY then. As I mentioned, someone here  stated that the name has been changed. Suggest you do a wiki-peda search, it is all right there. Now all the grammar school girls have no reason to say the word CIRCUMCISION.  LEO C  

 
I know the history of Camp Kilmer.  I taught at Rutgers University.  It is now Livingston College of Rutgers University.
 
Victoria was a British queen between 1837 and 1901.  Her reign is called the Victorian Age or Era...in Britain, Canada, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand…in fact the entire English- speaking world including the US.  It was a period distinguished by a kind of prudish stuffiness.
 
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Modern medicine was just getting started with the advent of the microscope.  Still it was primitive.
 
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Even with all this new medical knowledge being discovered at high speed, most of the people in the Victorian age still relied on home remedies, herbal treatments and homemade prescriptions.
 
Health suggestions were given either by a household manual or by word of mouth. Matrons, heads of households and frequently servants had adequate medical knowledge and remedies for minor ailments.
 
Even in affluent neighborhoods where the residents could afford doctors at will at least one member of any household would be well versed in herbal medicine.
 
People would frequently lance boils, sooth coughs and make poultices for wounds at home.
 
This home-grown confidence and knowledge served both as an alternative to and ongoing support for professional aid.
 
Common treatments given to people during the Victorian age included bleeding, purging, plastering, sweating, amputation and blistering.

 
http://www.articlesbase.com/medicine-articles/medicine-in-the-victorian- age-426428.html
 
All sorts of quackery was being toyed with, including circumcision to curb masturbation.
 
http://www.articlesbase.com/medicine-articles/medicine-in-the-victorian- age-426428.html
 
 
 
 
 
 
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You are correct beauty ranges from culture to culture. Here in the US having an uncut penis is considered gross by most women. At least form what I have gathered in my life. Parents when told that there is no benefit from being circumcised still balk because of the cosmetic aspect. They are concerned for the child later in life. I don’t blame them since they live in the US. It just depends on where you live and what you find beautiful.

 
I don't approve of chopping up one's body for cosmetic reasons, including so people will like you.  But then, I have no tattoos or piercings either.  
 
Right now, it's enough for me if they'll just let children reach the age of 18, so they can make up their own minds.  Mom and dad can still pay for it if he elects to do it.  So what's the rush?
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Small world. I attended catholic grammar school in new brunswick, followed by 3 years at rutgers prep. Would be 58 thru 60. School at that time was a big old building on EASTON AVE. across from SHELLIES COLLEGE BOOK STORE. Was right on the campus.  
 I was not academically inclined and was out of my league from my first day. Was not my decision, my controlling mother insisted on my attending. Took 3 years until they wised up and I was not invited back. Was the only student that took LATIN 1 for 3 years.  
  The Y on LIVINGSTON AVE. is where I experienced mothers and daughters attending an event while us boys swam nude.   LEO C
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« Reply #21 on: Dec 16th, 2010, 11:45pm »
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on Dec 16th, 2010, 8:03pm, leo_c wrote:
Small world. I attended catholic grammar school in new brunswick, followed by 3 years at rutgers prep. Would be 58 thru 60. School at that time was a big old building on EASTON AVE. across from SHELLIES COLLEGE BOOK STORE. Was right on the campus.  
 I was not academically inclined and was out of my league from my first day. Was not my decision, my controlling mother insisted on my attending. Took 3 years until they wised up and I was not invited back. Was the only student that took LATIN 1 for 3 years.  
  The Y on LIVINGSTON AVE. is where I experienced mothers and daughters attending an event while us boys swam nude.   LEO C

 
Wow, some old memories.  I remember that book store.  Just down from the Penn Central station.  There used to be a used furniture store on Easton, where I furnished my place when I first got to Rutgers.  
 
Do you remember Greasy Tony's?  He franchised his business and started opening restaurants in college towns all over the world.  Later, when I taught at the University of Arizona, here came Tony and opened a place. I ran into him.  Of course he didn't remember me.  But we had one of those "remember times" anyway.
 
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Re: boys abused by nurses
« Reply #22 on: Dec 17th, 2010, 8:49am »
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 GREASY TONYS came after my time. If I remember correctly, it was on EASTON as you come up the hill from the train station. Years later, the wife worked somewhere in that neighborhood and would have lunch there. I knew I was wrong when I said it, my school was on HAMILTON, a few 100 ft. from the intersection of EASTON, at the top of the hill. Was many years ago and was not really a happy time for me. Unlike some people, would not want to go back and do it again.  LEO C
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Re: boys abused by nurses
« Reply #23 on: Dec 17th, 2010, 9:52am »
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on Dec 16th, 2010, 8:03pm, leo_c wrote:
 
  The Y on LIVINGSTON AVE. is where I experienced mothers and daughters attending an event while us boys swam nude.   LEO C

 
This seems to be another one of your unique experiences, Leo. Tell us more about it, how old were the boys and what kind of event was it?
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Re: boys abused by nurses
« Reply #24 on: Dec 17th, 2010, 6:58pm »
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 BOBBY, I believe that was the subject of my first post on this site. Was a response to questions about if boys actually swam nude at the Y and if there were occasions were females were present. Have related it on more than one occasion so will try to keep it brief.
  Was enroled in swimming lessons after school from maybe 4 years. Lasted for a few months at a time. Were perhaps no more than 15 boys at a time, ages I will say 10 thru 14. Was my last year in grammar school, so I was 14. One day we all show up and the instructor ask if we had brought our bathing suits. Since it was the Y, none of us had, no need to. Instructor told us that there was going to be a demonstration of our instructions and that mothers and daughters would be there. The 4 or 5 boys that had got the word, they were familiar with each other away from the Y, had brought suits as well as their mothers and sisters. The rest of us had nothing to wear, the instructor tells us to shower and wait in the bleachers at the end of the pool. He must have told the mothers that there would be nude boys, it was the Y, and apairently there was no problem.  
 We boys got in the pool and the mothers and sisters sat in the bleachers. The instructor attempted to put on some kind of demonstration for them but it was tough since our instruction were more supervised pool time than anything else. I always point out that the 4 or 5 boys who knew about the plans did wear suits as well as the instructor.  
  That is all that happen, was of no concern. Was about 10 of us boys nude climbing in and out of the pool for about an hour with the mothers and sisters looking on. We thought nothing of it as I do not remember any comments or someone being reluctant. If I was the only one nude, I might have been concerned but there was a group of us. I had  already stopped being the only nude boy at the swimming holes. That was the only time something like that happened to me. Dont think it was unique, had to have occured at other Ys over the years. Was 1958.   LEO C
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Re: boys abused by nurses
« Reply #25 on: Dec 17th, 2010, 7:43pm »
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Leo, here is an account from an old forum which is similar to what you mention, and seems to have been more regular than you experienced in some places.  
It is a bit long but very amusing, in spite of the embarrassment that this boy had to  go through.  
 
"My Nude Swimming at the YMCA
 
Nude Swimming Embarrassments, True Story  
 
I have been reading the board for about a month now and decided to add my own experiences with nude swimming for the group.
 
Similar to other accounts here, I took swimming lessons at the YMCA in the early 1960's here in small town Ohio. I started lessons when I was 12 and continued swimming there until I was 17 when we moved to another town.  
 
All swimming at the "Y" was nude. The reason given was that the cotton lint from the swimming suits of the day clogged up the pool filters; nylon/lycra i.e. "Speedo" suits were not available back then. Like, other accounts, our pool had a seating section down one side because the pool was used on weekends for swim meets, since neither of the high schools in the area had pools. Swim meets were the only time that swimsuits were permitted in the pool and only because the pool was open to the public. All other times Nude was the standard.
 
Although not open to the "public" on weekdays, the viewing section was open to "family members" during all other times. As I discovered on my first day (much to my chagrin and embarrassment), it was not uncommon for mothers and sisters waiting on their sons and brothers to sit in the stands and watch throughout the classes. In fact many of the guys sisters would be accompanied by their friends. As long as the "friends" were accompanied by a family member, they were permitted to be there.
 
As I stated earlier, I was 12 when I first went for lessons. I had failed my swimming test at the Boy Scout camp that summer and as a consequence did not get my camp award, my parent enrolled me for classes to assure that I would pass the test the following summer. In short, I was 3-6 years older that the other beginning students. When I was told in the locker room that swimsuits were not permitted in the pool I didn't think much of it as the Boy Scout Camp had the same rule for supposedly the same reason.
 
The shock came when I walked through the door to the pool and saw probably 35 women and girls (ranging in age from toddler to early 20's, some of whom were my age and attended my school) in the seating area (including my Mother and 6 yr. old Sister). Immediately, upon entering my Sister yells out, "There's Johnny! Hey he's all bare!" The fact that there were already some 25-30 nude boys in the pool area had apparently completely escaped her! It wasn't bad enough that my Sister had directed everyone's attention to me, my Mother had to reply, "Now settle down Jane, you're embarrassing your Brother." Now everyone was looking at me!
 
The lead instructor came over to where I was standing and checked my name off on his clipboard and told me that I was assigned to the "Tadpole" group until I could be evaluated for a possible higher group. He pointed to the shallow end of the pool and told me that my group assembled down there. Red faced from my sister's yelling and knowing that EVERYONE was watching me, I proceeded to the other end of the pool, only to find that the Tadpole group was composed of boy much younger that me, mostly ages 6-8 with a couple of 9 year-olds thrown in. I stood head and shoulders taller than all of them. Shortly, our instructor arrived; a teenage girl!  
 
Her name was Ann and I later learned she had just turned 17 and was a member of the High School Swim Team. Tall, pretty, with a swimmer's body, incredible long legs, and blond hair tied in a pony-tail wearing a one-piece swimsuit; I was in love at first sight! When she took role-call of her class, she finally came to me on her list, and sweeping me with her eyes, smiled and said, "you must be John, the new boy in my class." Realizing that I was nude for her complete inspection, I turned red-faced and my voice choked to the point where I could only nod my head in agreement.
 
Throughout the class in the shallow end of the pool I was only in water of mid-thigh depth for me; consequently I was on full display at all times. I passed all of the skills necessary to be classified to a higher group on the first day except one. One of the skills required to move from the "Tadpole" group to the "Minnow" group was to float on your back for 3 minutes without treading water (moving your hands or legs, for this we moved into deeper water). I couldn't do it. I was skinny at the time and I later learned there was a scientific reason why (specific gravity) I couldn't, but at the time it was a matter of complete frustration. No matter how much I relaxed and tried, I floated feet down, with my head about 6 inches under water. Needless to say, I could NOT maintain that position for 3 minutes!
 
To her credit, Ann did her best to coach me, but after 15 seconds my body would sink and I would float, but under water. Verbal coaching having failed, she came over to me and supported me with her hands on my lower back (and occasionally my butt) but as soon as she removed he hands I sank. The worst part of all of this physical contact was I got an erection, which was clearly visible when she supported me as it stuck out of the water. I didn't even realize it until much to my shock and dismay, I hear my little sister's voice, "Look Mom, Johnny's thing is sticking up out of the water!" This was immediately followed by much laughter and giggling from the viewing stands. Fortunately, hearing this, Ann let go of me and I sank. When I stood up, my hard-on was under water but looking around, EVERYONE was looking at me. Worst yet, it was the end of the class and we were to get out of the pool and return to the locker room. And IT would not go down!  
 
I stalled as long as possible in getting out of the pool until there were only a couple of boys left, then trying to cover-up with my hands started running for the locker room. "No Running In The Pool Area!" I hear in the deep voice of the head instructor. So there I am walking with an erection past all of the smiling women and giggling and pointing girls.  
 
It wasn't bad enough that I had to walk past all of them with an erection. My Mother stopped me at the door to the locker room and proceeded to chew me out in front of all of the women and girls about how "my perverted behavior had embarrassed her and how I should be ashamed of myself for such a display!" How could I answer that one? I couldn't, so I just stood there nude with a hard-on, red-faced and took it.
 
Similar to other stories posted here, Mothers and Sisters also frequented the locker room. So my Mother proceeds to grab me by the arm and shove me through the door, meanwhile continuing her tirade and spanking me with her free hand all the way through the lock room to my locker, my little Sister laughing all of the way. Now I'm red-assed in addition to red-faced and IT still wouldn't go away and all of the guys see the problem and join in at laughing at me.
 
For the next three days at school I hear little snickers and giggles from girls whose brothers swim at the "Y" about my little "stiffy problem."
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: boys abused by nurses
« Reply #26 on: Dec 18th, 2010, 9:57am »
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Thats an interesting story, believe I have seen it posted here before. For me, I only remember females being present that one time, was over a 4 year period. There were occasions when one of the women who worked the front desk or office would come to the pool area. In those cases, the instructor would remain nude so us boys would think nothing of our also being nude. We were youngsters so who cared?  
 Have also related but there is a chance I am not totally accurate, that we were broken up into groups. Had to sit in the bleachers at times and I tried to start a conversation with one of the boys sisters. She was polite but really did not respond much, probably felt uncomfortable. Her mother then started talking to me which seemed to put the girl at ease after which she became friendly. Was a long time ago and have to question my own memory on that as far as accuracy. Was not a big deal, so it is something I would not remember real well.  LEO C
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Re: boys abused by nurses
« Reply #27 on: Jan 19th, 2011, 8:39pm »
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on Dec 16th, 2010, 7:33pm, MW wrote:

 
I don't approve of chopping up one's body for cosmetic reasons, including so people will like you.  But then, I have no tattoos or piercings either.  
 
Right now, it's enough for me if they'll just let children reach the age of 18, so they can make up their own minds.  Mom and dad can still pay for it if he elects to do it.  So what's the rush?

 
Later in life the male catches a fever and can be put down for a few days. That is why most adults choose to have their children circumcised.  
 
It’s a lot like braces, which in a way is a form of body modification, so is a haircut, and everything else we humans do to remain beautiful. I’m glad I had it done as a baby like most children and I have heard girls talk unfavorably about an uncut penis. It just depends on the culture is all.
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Re: boys abused by nurses
« Reply #28 on: Jan 19th, 2011, 9:06pm »
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Moore14,
I agree with your assessment, and I am happy to be circumcised! It is so much easier to clean, and I don't miss the "extra baggage"!
I reported some time ago that, in 2000, I heard my soon to be department manager telling how her husband was circumcised, and that she liked the smooth, un-bumpy movement within her.  
Can women on this board state their preference? I'm sure many have experienced both types of penises, and would like to know which they consider to be better! How about you, Chilled_Jill?  
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