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Female Coaches with nude male swim teams
« on: Sep 12th, 2010, 7:28am »
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I don't know if this has been posted on this forum before, but I saw it recently on another forum.
In it a woman describes how she was brought up in a CFNM family and that her mother was a coach instructor as a college graduate at a boys club where all the boys swam nude.
This is half of her post, the other half later.
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Subject: Three generations of males swimming nude
 
Competitive swimming has been a big part of my family for three
generations. For reasons ranging from past custom to family practice
the males in our family have always swam nude.
 
My mother was a member of the 1960 United States women's olympic
swim team. She swam and taught competitive swimming for years. I am
the youngest of her five children and the only girl. My oldest
brother is only 5 1/2 years older than me as my mother had all of us
in that short time. All the time we were growing up and throughout
high school our mother gave us swimming instruction. My four
brothers and I all swam competitively at some level. Three of my
brothers attended college on swimming scholarships. We were
fortunate to be one of only a few families in our neighborhood to
have swimming pools.
 
Ever since I can remember my brothers and father swam nude in our
pool. Only my mother and I wore swim suits. She would spend hours at
a time teaching us technical swimming techniques and driving us to
swimming perfection. She and I would be in our swim suits and my
brothers naked. When I was young I didn't think anything about
their nudity and didn't pay any attention to them. As I entered my
teenage years, I began to look at them in ways different than
before. For example I found it curious that my father was
uncircumcised and my brothers circumcised. Also, my father was very
large. My feelings were not one of incest, but rather visual
curiosity and admiration of their nude male physiques.
 
I asked my mother one day why boys swam nude and girls didn't.
She said when she was a girl that all boys, including my father,
were required to swim nude during high school swimming classes and
at YMCA's. She said that was the custom everywhere and everyone
understood that was the established practice. She then told me
something that really surprised me. My mother told me while
finishing college she worked as a swimming instructor and coach at a
Boy's Club for three years from 1961-1964. There she taught boys
up to 17 years of age, with the majority in the 10-15 age range. As
was the custom of the time, the boys swam nude. My mother said her
swim teams would compete with other area Boy's Clubs. She said the
meets were conducted with the competition in the nude. My mother
said she was the only female in presence, except occasionally when
the other swim team's coach was a female. She said her teams
always won,never losing a meet in the three years. I could tell she
was proud of her accomplishments there. To me it sounded like
something that would be exciting as I was becoming somewhat of a
voyeur.
 
When I was around 13 or 14 my mother had a serious talk with me. I
had taken to teasing my brothers about their nudity, making comments
about the size of their cocks, and poking fun at them when they got
hardons. One of my brothers, the youngest, had the biggest cock by
far and I would ridicule his older brothers about them being smaller
than their little brother. My mother said I should refrain from
making crude sexual comments or saying things to deliberately
embarrass them. She said I should never make a comment about the
size of a penis as that was a very sensitive subject with boys. She
said it was perfectly normal for girls my age to be curious about
male bodies and want to see what they have hanging between their
legs. She said finding it enjoyable looking at naked males was human
nature, for women and girls. She told me there was absolutely
nothing wrong with me looking at my brothers and father when they
are nude, that looking had nothing to do with sexual involvement.
She said it best I say nothing about it and just do it if I wanted.
 
 
 
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Re: Female Coaches with nude male swim teams
« Reply #1 on: Sep 12th, 2010, 4:13pm »
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Great post, Bobby! Hope to see the other half soon. This is the way swimming is supposed to be!  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 12th, 2010, 7:48pm »
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I remember reading the entire account of that several years ago.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 12th, 2010, 9:22pm »
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I wonder what part of the country the Boy's Club was located in? Between 1961-1964, this thing didn't happen in the Long Island/New York area! This instructor must have really enjoyed the fringe benefits of her job! Her telling her daughter how it was normal for girls & women to enjoy looking at naked males was sure a true & healthy piece of advice! She was very astute as well to instruct her daughter never to poke fun at boy's or men's penises.
For the boys at the club, I admire them for having secure penises, in front of their, and an occasional rival female coach. I'm sure this built up their overall confidence with the female gender!
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 12th, 2010, 10:20pm »
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on Sep 12th, 2010, 7:48pm, freeed54 wrote:
I remember reading the entire account of that several years ago.

 
So did I, but it seems it has been reposted on another forum and I reposted it here.
SingleDonald, I agree with all your observations. What disappointed me about the account is that there were no female spectators, apart from the one or two female coaches, during the boys nude swim meets. I only ever read one account by a woman who said that as a young girl she regularly attended as a spectator together with her mother when her brother was competing in nude swim meets sometime in the fifties when it was probably even more acceptable and common than the account here of the sixties and later. She also mentioned the places where these took place and where she attended somewhere in the midwest.
About New York City I read somewhere that there were actually some places where boys regularly swam nude in the open. I don't know how long this practice continued or when it was stopped but it was probably sometime during that era of 50's or 60's.
In any case I will post the second part later.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 13th, 2010, 10:27am »
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 Boys in NYC certainly swam nude in the open back in the 50s. I remember the CIRCLE LINE cruises around the island, the boat would pass piers in the east river and also the HARLEM RIVER. Boys, always nude, would be diving off the piers and showing off for the people on the boats. Always got laughs from the people on board and I think the person on the PA would even comment about it.  
 Dirty water but that was back in the pre air conditioning days. More than likely it also occurred on the NORTH, HUDSON river but the boat was to far from shore to tell. Would not be surprised if there is not some mention of it somewhere on the internet.  LEO C
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 13th, 2010, 10:33am »
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This is the second part of her post.
 
I got married when I was pretty young, moved out of state, and had a
son. Five years ago my son and I moved back to my home town after my
husband and I divorced. My mother was so excited about the
possibility that she could make her grandson into a competitive
swimmer. My father had died the year before so I thought it would be
a good diversion for her. She had an outdoor pool building installed
with an environmental control system so she could train him year
around. My son was 13 at the time. It was early summer and he was
out of school so he stayed with my mother during the day while I was
at work. I knew she was giving him swimming lessons and spending a
lot of time devoted to his training. She was having him practice for
approximately two hours three times daily with an hour rest period
between practices. I knew she was working him hard as he was
exhausted in the evenings. I wasn't surprised by this regiment as
that is how she trained herself and how she did with us kids years
before during our summers. She told me several times she was pleased
with his progress.
 
About six weeks after moving back I was off work one afternoon and
went to her house to visit. When no one answered the door I walked
in and went directly to the back door figuring they were out back in
the pool house. Going outside I immediately saw my mother and son
through the large floor-to-ceiling plate glass windows. They were
standing by the side of the pool and she was talking to him. My
mother was wearing shorts and a tank top and my son was totally
naked. I really wasn't all that surprised, but it did startle me.
I stood there a minute and watched. They did not notice me. Standing
there I suddenly experienced a quick flashback to those days years
ago when I used to see my father and brothers nude all the time in
the presence of my mother or me. I experienced feelings reminiscent
of what I had felt years ago when seeing a naked male. As I stood
there thinking about how I was reacting and watching my mother's
enthusiasm for what she was doing, I recalled what she had told me
years earlier, that for a woman to enjoy looking at naked males was
natural. It occurred to me that my mother was doing what she liked
best, combining her passion for swimming and enjoyment of teaching
boys competitive swimming skills. I understood for the first time
that male nudity was a big part of both for her. She had rekindled
the enjoyment of her youth, when she taught swimming to hundreds of
nude young males to the Boy's Club, with her own sons and
husband,and now she was reliving it again with her grandson. I knew
she would never do anything sexually inappropriate with him and was
comfortable that she knew what she was doing. She had been a
positive influence on my brothers and I knew she was going to have
the same positive effect on my son.
 
I walked into the pool building, a beautiful swimming facility that
she keeps spotlessly clean. My entrance surprised my son and he
appeared a bit embarrassed, but my mother just smiled and beaming
with pride said he was doing very well. She praised him for his
efforts and dedication. I didn't say a word about his nudity and
told them to not let me interrupt. I walked over and sat in a chair
and watched as she resumed her instruction, ignoring my presence. I
watched my son swimming nude, doing laps and getting in and out of
the pool. The pool house, with wall-to-wall plate glass windows on
all sides, offered no privacy, but none was necessary. My mother
lived alone and she has a huge back yard with a high wooden fence
surrounding it. I found myself looking at my son the same way I had
looked at my brothers and father, deciding his cock was a bit on the
large size for his age. I stayed until his lesson was finished about
thirty minutes later. After drying off with a towel and dropping it
is a clothes hamper in the pool room, my mother and I followed
behind my son as he walked naked from the pool house to inside her
home.
 
Later, my mother talked to me about my son's swimming lessons and
I asked her about the nudity. She said having a boy practice while
nude was an good teaching technique as it causes them to focus on
their body, an important aspect in developing proper bodily
mechanics. She also said it helped them gain confidence in their
bodies, pointing out that the top performing swimmers all have both
mental confidence and proper bodily mechanics. She said it is very
important to teach a young student swimmer that male nudity in the
presence of a female instructor is a very natural thing. She said it
was easier back when she worked at the Boy's Club because all
males, men and boys, were accustomed to swimming nude. She said it
was also easier with a group of boys than when teaching them one-on-
one. She went on to say my son at first experienced some
embarrassment and anxiety, but that was to be expected due to
changes over the past 40 years in cultural acceptance of public male
nudity and because he had already reached puberty. I asked her how
she got him to swim nude and how she helped him overcome his
shyness. My mother said on the first day she simply told my son she
wanted him to practice without him wearing a swim suit and gave him
the reasons why. They were inside her home at the time and she told
him to go ahead and take off his clothes. She intentionally did it
inside her home away from the pool because she wanted to set the
tone where he didn't feel he needed to be modest in her presence.
She said he was visibly nervous about it, but did as he was told. My
son had always looked up to his grandmother and idolized her for her
olympic swimming achievements and he knew she had a reputation for
teaching competitive swimming. I am sure he thought she knew what
she was doing even if it did seem odd to him. My mother said after
his first practice she had his rest period take place within the
pool house with him resting in a lounge chair far way from his
clothing. After his second practice they went inside her home for
some lunch. When he asked if he should get dressed she told him that
wouldn't be necessary. She said widening the area from the pool
in which he remained unclothed was a way teaching him that casual
male nudity in the presence of a female was acceptable and it helped
him get used to it. She said because boys do get erections that is
especially important that he not be shamed or scolded when they
occur. My mother said my son did have a tendency to get erections
frequently,usually during periods of non-swimming times within the
pool room or inside her home. She said they were typical of boys his
age and not saying anything about them actually helped him get
comfortable with his nakedness in her presence. According to her,
this is the pattern she established with my son. I found this
interesting because that is exactly what she did with my brothers.
Male nudity was commonplace in our home and not only in the pool
area. She just didn't believe sexual modesty was necessary for
boys.
 
In the years that followed I watched my son's swimming lessons
with my mother many times and she and I have swam with him often.
During the school year she worked with him late afternoons and
evenings. When it is dark during the Winter nights, the pool house
is well lighted and the climate control system keeps the pool and
room temperature remain balanced for optimal comfort. I was amazed
at how well she works with him and improves his swim skills and
strives to build up his endurance. She pushes him to excel and works
him until he is totally exhausted. My mother would usually swim with
him and she stayed in peak physical condition herself. Thanks to my
mother my son is comfortable with his nudity in my presence and I am
comfortable with it as well. It seems all so natural for me as that
his how it was when my father and brothers swam naked when I was
growing up. I have watched my son swim nude for years and found it
interesting observing his sexual development as he got older. I was
fascinated watching his genitals grow to well above average
proportions. My mother has never been one to make specific comments
about my son's body. One day, however, when he was 17, she and I
were at one end of the pool and he had just crawled out of the other
end and was walking back towards us. His cock was semi-erect. My
mother was looking at my son and she remarked that he was a fine
looking young man. She smiled and made a comment that he probably
got his large penis from my father's genes. It was an interesting
moment for me. For once she was not talking as a mother to daughter,
but two women who enjoy seeing a nude male. Best of all for me has
been watching my mother and son's relationship. She is doing what
she has done for three generations, teaching boys to be wonderfully
successful competitive swimmers and he is responding to her
direction. She is good to my son and he adores her. She has helped
him develop a healthy and wholesome attitude about his body and his
nudity. My son is fortunate to have her take him under her tutelage.
 
For over five years now my mother has religiously pursued her dream
of training her grandson to someday become an olympic swimmer like
her. When he was a sophomore in high school he made the varsity swim
team and broke a number of records for a sophomore. He is 18 now and
holds several state swimming records. He still swims nude in her
pool with her always by his side. She has succeeded with her
grandson the same as she did with her own four sons and the many
young males at the Boy's Club over 40 years ago.
 
Deb
 
 
 
 
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Re: Female Coaches with nude male swim teams
« Reply #7 on: Sep 13th, 2010, 4:19pm »
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It doesn't surprise me that males might swim nude in families. †I don't believe there is an inherent advantage for their training however. †If it did, everyone would do it. †Furthermore, if training in the nude was good for boys it would have been good for girls also.  Obviously the grandmother was something of a voyeur. †What does it matter, she never sexually abused her proteges. †
 
I can see how if the female coach was an Olympic swimmer parents might tolerate a few eccentricities liking having the boys swim in the nude. †Competing in the nude is a little harder to swallow. †Generally swim meets take place in public and are attended by family members. †Mothers and fathers would not like their daughters attending meets where the boys swam in the nude. †One of the things I have noticed about these stories is that they always second hand. †
 
I grew up in an era when the boys swam in the nude in gym class but the girls didn't. †There were never any girls present during swim class. †We had a swim team but they always wore suits during practice and during meets. †I don't want to say the story isn't true but I would like some first hand witnesses and also some confirmation like a news report. †
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 13th, 2010, 5:07pm »
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Thanks, Bobby, for posting the second part!   Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 13th, 2010, 9:23pm »
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Bobby_Bare,
 
I also thank you, as I thoroughly enjoyed the 2nd part as well!
I'll get back to this, but must also agree with Youngren. My father swam nude at the YMCA, but there were never any women present. Also, the nude swimming would be hard to imagine, at competitive meets, with girls/women in the stands. Now, I believe Leo _C that he experienced this, as a kid, but feel this was the rare exception, and only took place in certain parts of the country.
Back to Part II of Deb's story. I loved the way her youthful mother initiated her son on cross gender nudity. I liked how the boy then accepted his mom seeing all, and agree that the interest both women took in the young man's anatomy was quite normal & healthy! It also would have been okay for the teenager to ask either woman what they thought of his development. From the story, I'm sure Deb and her mom would have assured him that he had a well developed penis that girls should find attractive.
Finally, I must praise the young man on his security with both women. I'm sure, as I always say, that this increased his confidence with girls he knew, and with the female gender overall! All boys/men should experience this!  
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 13th, 2010, 10:01pm »
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Youngren and Singledonald, Deb stated quite specifically that there were never any females present during the boys nude swim meets, except her mother as the coach and the other team's coach if she was also a woman. So I don't know why you are both concluding that she said otherwise.
Also as SingleDonald has said there could have been exceptions in some parts of the country where nude swim meets were actually attended by female spectators, mostly relatives of the competing boys.
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 13th, 2010, 10:56pm »
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Bobby_Bare,
 
I wasn't concluding that Deb said that female spectators were present at these meets. I was just reflecting on the overall possibility of it taking place, in the past.
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 14th, 2010, 7:42am »
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Donald, I always enjoy your comments about CFNM!
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 Am posting this on the chance I may have been misunderstood on my other post. I was never part of any swimming or diving competition. Dont even know if there was anything like that at the Y I attended. In my case, having mothers and sisters present when we boys swam at the Y occured only once in maybe 4 years. Happen in 1958. The 4 or 5 boys who had their mothers and sisters present for our family day demonstration did wear bathing suits as well as the instructor. The rest of us boys were nude and thought nothing of it.  
  Also, on some occasions, one or the other of the 2 women who worked the front desk or office would on occasion come to the pool to talk to the instructor. These times I remember the instructor remaining nude when she was present. The fact that he remained nude indicated to us boys that we should not be concerned with her presence. It was a male atmosphere and she just happen to work there. Long time ago, between 54 and 58. I was 13 or 14. Took place in central N.J.  LEO C
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 14th, 2010, 3:58pm »
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Also, on some occasions, one or the other of the 2 women who worked the front desk or office would on occasion come to the pool to talk to the instructor. These times I remember the instructor remaining nude when she was present. The fact that he remained nude indicated to us boys that we should not be concerned with her presence. It was a male atmosphere and she just happen to work there. Long time ago, between 54 and 58. I was 13 or 14. Took place in central N.J.  LEO C

 
Yes, Leo, that was how it was at the Y when I was a boy - a male atmosphere and women just happened to work there. Thus male nudity was acceptable to all. I also recall on occasion a male instructor who was nude talking to a woman from another part of the Y who had come into the pool area while we were swimming.
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I am curious what other forum this came from. It is obviously pure fiction.
 
We can deduce from the fact that the grandmother was supposedly on the 1960 Olympic team that the author was born after that (1965 or so?).  So we are to believe that her brothers who were born in the mid to late 60s were having these nude swim meats in the early to mid 1980s? Does that sound plausible?
 
Further, the time-line would dictate  that the grandson in question was born 1985 or later. This means it was  at least 1998 or later when his nude swimming commenced and it was still happening as recently as 2002 or so. Does this really fit with the times? Can we really accept that a guy who is only in his early to mid  20s NOW was swimming naked in front of his mother and grandmother as recently as 6 or 8 years ago?
 
Also, IF this were true Mom and Grandma are HUGE perverts .Turn the tables. Can you imagine a modern day Grandfather making his 13 year old granddaughter swim naked in front of him AND her father? Would we think Dad and Grandpa getting turned on was OK?
 
This story is 100% fiction.
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Amishboy, you seem to be confusing everything. She never said that her brothers competed, or even swam, nude outside of their home. So I don't know where you got this. In fact she says that she was surprised when her mother told her that boys used to swim nude at clubs and meets in the early sixties when she was an instructor, so it was obviously not going on in her time.
And what is so 'perverted' about a boy swimming nude in front of his mother and grandmother at their own home?
You are also contradicting yourself here because unless I am mistaken, and correct me if I am wrong, you yourself have said in previous posts that you grew up in an Amish community where it was custamary for males of all ages to swim nude in front of girls and women, including fathers in front of daughters etc. So are we to assume that this is all fiction or that they were all perverted if it is true? Your account is a lot more unbelievable if one had to choose between the two.
Of course having said this I cannot vouch for her  account whether it is true or not, because I have no connection with it, but I don't see anything out of this world or contradictory in her account.
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I quote:
 
"My mother told me while
finishing college she worked as a swimming instructor and coach at a
Boy's Club for three years from 1961-1964. There she taught boys
up to 17 years of age, with the majority in the 10-15 age range. As
was the custom of the time, the boys swam nude. My mother said her
swim teams would compete with other area Boy's Clubs. She said the
meets were conducted with the competition in the nude".
 
I have never seen any credible evidence that competitions were held in the nude in the 60s.
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Does that mean that they never happened?
Do we have any evidence that the Amish were CFNM people?
Do we have any evidence that thousands of boys all across America had regular swim classes in the nude at school for decades? I have never seen a genuine photo of this even though it is claimed that it was on such a large scale. The few photos we have are from the Y only.  
And what would have been unusual if the boys competed in the nude among themselves and with smilar clubs when they always swam and practiced in the nude? She herself said that there were no females present apart from the coaches.
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I guess you're right. I've never seen a unicorn either but since I can't PROVE they DON'T exist I'm a fool to be skeptical.  
 
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Amishboy, Bobby B said:
 
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You are also contradicting yourself here because unless I am mistaken, and correct me if I am wrong, you yourself have said in previous posts that you grew up in an Amish community where it was custamary for males of all ages to swim nude in front of girls and women, including fathers in front of daughters etc. So are we to assume that this is all fiction or that they were all perverted if it is true? Your account is a lot more unbelievable if one had to choose between the two.

 
Seems to me, he made a good point. (And I further recall I believe your mentioning that during bathing nude in front of sisters and other women, sometimes a boy with a boner would be teased for it.)  
 
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Re: Female Coaches with nude male swim teams
« Reply #21 on: Sep 15th, 2010, 1:40pm »
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My take on the story. Could be somewhat true with embelishments added. Cant comment on nude swimming/diving events as I did not know they existed until the olympics started to be broadcast. Would think that this kind of competition would be more popular at the college level.  
 As for the grandmothers actions. If true she could have been a bit of a controlling woman and having the boy nude contributed to her satisifaction in some way. Really nothing wrong with a boy being nude around his grandmother or mother as long as it gave him no concern. Might even have developed a healthy attitude for him. The grandmother could have been a closet nudist and considered it healthy for the boy to be comfortable with nudity although she did not practice it herself. One of those do as I say, not as I do type of things. In a remotely similar situation, I was, for the want of a better word, encouraged to swim nude by my mother, so I can somewhat identify with the situation.  
  The subject of the women discussing how the boy was developing could be believeable. Am not a woman so I dont know what they discuss but am sure they talk about how boys look as they are developing, especially someone in he family. For example, am sure we all heard discussions on a young girls development. How soon and how much her breast are developing. How she is developing that female flare to her hips and developing a shape to her legs. That sort of thing. Would seem to me women would comment on the development of a boy and it not involve anything sexual. Here again, my opinion is influenced by a bit of a similar situation where a woman held my erection and compaired it to her sons or nepheus. Was nothing sexual about it, discussion concerned my circumcision.  
  As for the woman growing up with her father and brothers swimming nude, that also is quite possible. There have always been at least a few families that practiced nudity at home. Can understand where the females would not be nude but the males were. Pretty much always been that way  
  So I am willing to guess that the story is at least loosely based on some facts.  LEO C
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« Reply #22 on: Sep 15th, 2010, 2:01pm »
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A subject that intrigues me.
This item on ebay seems to support the evidence that young men DID swim Nude among women wearing bathing suits back in the 1960's and 1960's
 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Women-Suits-Nude-Male-Cartoon-Art-1968-Original-/1 50493934199?pt=UK_art_drawings_GL&hash=item230a233277
 
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 21st, 2010, 12:57pm »
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on Sep 12th, 2010, 7:28am, Bobby_Bare wrote:
I don't know if this has been posted on this forum before, but I saw it recently on another forum.

Hey Bobby--
 
This topic is always a source of controversy here.  About 5 years ago I exchanged a couple of emails with the woman ("Deb") who posted the original message.  Her email account has been closed for some time so I can't invite her to comment here.
 
Through the magic of Google, here's a thread of comments sort of on this topic.  Many comments seem to support nude swimming, but not with females present.
 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/features/5846928.html
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 22nd, 2010, 7:06am »
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Rick, do you have the link to the original post by Deb? Her account I posted here was also from a repost on a recent forum.
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« Reply #25 on: Sep 22nd, 2010, 7:26am »
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on Sep 21st, 2010, 12:57pm, Rick176701 wrote:

Hey Bobby--
 
This topic is always a source of controversy here. †About 5 years ago I exchanged a couple of emails with the woman ("Deb") who posted the original message. †Her email account has been closed for some time so I can't invite her to comment here.
 
Through the magic of Google, here's a thread of comments sort of on this topic. †Many comments seem to support nude swimming, but not with females present.
 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/features/5846928.html

 
It is obvious that females being present during nude male swimming was certainly not common. But I believe that it did actually take place in some  cases, usually with boys up to mid teens as mentioned by Deb. Remember that her mother was an Olympic swimmer when she started coaching these boys, so she was more than qualified to teach competitive swimming. This is why they probably made an exception with her to coach the boys.
I have also seen a post on another forum recently by someone who mentions that the Boys Clubs, mentioned in Deb's post, kept on swimming nude even after most Y's did away with this requirement. The reason is that unlike the Y's the Boys Clubs didn't go co-ed.
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Re: Female Coaches with nude male swim teams
« Reply #26 on: Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:11am »
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To be honest, I have to say that I am leaning to the side that the original post Bobby found is more fantasy than real, likely with some core of truth in it.  
 
One thing that strikes me is actually just technical.  if the boy was well hung as described, swimming nude would result in added drag (I am being serious here) and not be good training for swimming competitively in a suit.  Think about how extreme the current body suits for men are just to incrementally reduce drag.  I know first hand that when I swim nude, I feel the drag of a big dick and balls, so it has to be a factor.  
 
Great story in any case!
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« Reply #27 on: Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:33am »
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I don't know (and I don't care nor I don't NEED to know)) if it's true or fantasy, but it's a good story.
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« Reply #28 on: Sep 22nd, 2010, 6:24pm »
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So is this a new crop of persons who don't believe this ever happened?
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« Reply #29 on: Sep 22nd, 2010, 10:26pm »
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I, for one, do believe Bobby_Bare's 1st story!
 
A question for Rodney: Did your friend's mom say how the boys (both younger & older) reacted to being nude in the presence of a young female swim instructor? Were they embarrassed, resentful, or secure with her seeing all?
Also, did she think this could work at the time you spoke to her?
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« Reply #30 on: Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:42pm »
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on Sep 22nd, 2010, 6:24pm, PC wrote:
So is this a new crop of persons who don't believe this ever happened?

 
Geez PC, you have been here as long as I have, so how could I be a new crop?  I am not a doubter, go read my post.  My comment was about this particular story, which, Single D is not Bobby's, but a reference from another board.  Again, read the posts.  I hope it is all true, and as Bobby said, I loved the story.  I was just sharing my thoughts and musings with the board.  I think the idea of a 17 year old spending 6 hours a day nude with his grandmother, hard ons and his Mom watching is a bit fantastical.  
 
Just my thoughts.  Which I thought was the point of this board.
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« Reply #31 on: Sep 23rd, 2010, 5:29pm »
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Assuming that the above posts are true-and I have no reason to believe that they are not-it sounds like the lady and her mom both have a good head on their shoulders, which is a rare for anyone these days. I wish I knew her email because I have a question or two I would like to ask her.  
 
Bobby, would it be possible to share where the link where you found her post? Thanks.  
 
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Re: Female Coaches with nude male swim teams
« Reply #32 on: Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:13pm »
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on Sep 21st, 2010, 12:57pm, Rick176701 wrote:

Hey Bobby--
 
This topic is always a source of controversy here. †About 5 years ago I exchanged a couple of emails with the woman ("Deb") who posted the original message. †Her email account has been closed for some time so I can't invite her to comment here.
 
Through the magic of Google, here's a thread of comments sort of on this topic. †Many comments seem to support nude swimming, but not with females present.
 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/features/5846928.html

 
Thanks for the great article Rick - I've added it to my collection, which now, thanks to you, totals 262 .pdf news articles (not blogs or fictional stories) about boys swimming in the nude.
 
Interestingly, I found one article wherein the school board voted to stop the requirement that boys must swim nude at a junior high school as late as 1973 (see below link), and even then there were board members that objected to the ban.
 
Perhaps the best website I've ever read was a bulletin board on a public school district's website featuring alumni that went to a Fargo public school and the stories they remembered. † There were a number that talked about the good old days, and the issue about the boys having to swim nude. † Two of the ladies that posted admitted that the girls locker room door that led into the pool area had gaping cracks, and the girls would routinely watch the boys line up naked for roll call until one of the girls got caught and disciplined. †Unfortunately, I did not have the .pdf converter to convert that website into my archives, and now it's gone.
 
If anyone remembers that website, PLEASE post if they know where I can access it!
 
Many of the articles were downloaded from microfiche from the original newspapers. † I can't remember who spent that time, but it must have taken thousands of hours.
 
There's no questions that across the US the YMCA, Boys Club, high schools, colleges, public K-12 and local associations had swim class programs and would advertise †in the papers encouraging kids to learn to swim in their classes, and, they would routinely indicate the boys did not have to have swim suits - it was the norm, not the exception.
 
Here's some interesting reading:
 
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« Reply #33 on: Sep 24th, 2010, 3:07am »
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According to me, the best story of the net concerning the fantasy of a young teen boy forced to swim naked and enduring ti be nude in front of women and girls is here :  
 
http://www.asstr.org/~nialos/hooked6.html
 
Humiliated at the YMCA:
Young Tommy is signed up by his mom for swimming lessons at the YMCA.  Unfortunately for the unsuspecting Tommy, the boys swim nude at the "Y" as was the custom in the 1960's. Poor Tommy even has a female instructor.  Humiliation, punishment and revenge are all part of this twisting story as it unfolds.
Humiliated at the YMCA Part 1
Humiliated at the YMCA Part 2
Humiliated at the YMCA Part 3
Humiliated at the YMCA Part 4
Humiliated at the YMCA Part 5
Humiliated at the YMCA Part 6 [left][/left]
 
Read please, enjoy, and let me know what do you think about.
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« Reply #34 on: Sep 24th, 2010, 5:11am »
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Here is a similar account, but from a different angle, from another forum. Again I don't know if this has been shown on this site before, may have been. And again I have no way of telling if it is true or not.
   
 
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They Knew Exactly What I Looked Like, Front and Back
 
I found the stories of boys swimming nude at the YMCA to be both entertaining and accurate, because I participated in a competitive swimming program in the 1960s at the YMCA. Our coach/instructor was a female in her 20s with a degree in physical education from a local college. She always wore a one-piece swimsuit during our practice sessions. Of course, our competitions were at other outside pools and we wore swimsuits for these occasions.
 
At our indoor YMCA pool, there was a balcony above the pool with long wooden benches for spectators. During our practice sessions, the YMCA rules allowed two groups of people to sit in the stands and watch. The first group, of course, was parents. As you might expect, it was mostly moms, but moms are moms.
 
The second group, however, was siblings of the swimmers. There would usually be a few brothers of the swimmers, but there always seemed to be LOTS of sisters, who seemed to go out of their way to make plans that allowed them to come along with brother to view the practices. Furthermore, there were many occasions where sister just had to bring a friend or two along, female of course, who were just hitching a ride to the Girl Scout meeting or some other activity that came after the swim practice. The YMCA was not strict about enforcing the balcony rules, so as long as the extra girls were with the parent of a swimmer, so be it.
 
Parents and siblings (and those accompanying siblings, seemingly always female of course) were allowed to sit in the balcony and watch until some time between ages 14 and 15. Let's put it this way. It was well after I had pubic hair and was "growing."
 
Needless to say, when these girls had occasion to talk to us afterward (never in the presence of parents, of course), there were lots of giggles and plenty of talk about wiggling penises and bare bottoms. On odd occasions when a boy was really not into the activities of the day and was horse playing or not following the coach's instructions, the boy's mom would sometimes come down to the pool, lead the naked boy upstairs by the ear, and give the boy a good over the knee spanking, of course with all the other spectators watching. Sisters and other girls loved that as well.
 
Why would moms bring sisters and other girls to our swim practice? The only possible answer is that modesty was a female issue only, and not a concern for boys. It was unquestionably a matter of totally different standards of modesty for boys and girls. As a rather bashful boy, I can assure you that it was a painful issue for me, but I loved the swimming and competition enough and my parents pushed swimming enough that I endured it. It is not something that you readily forget, however.
 
I would feel embarrassed if a girl in my school classes saw me at practice. It happened to me many times, and the girls were not at all reticent about describing the experience to their friends in school, of course where you could hear the whole discussion. I was reminded often by neighborhood and schoolgirls who had been there that they knew exactly what I looked like, front and back. Violated is an excellent word to describe the way I felt when I was teased by the girls who had observed me.
 
The girls relished the fact that they could see us completely unclothed and know that we would not entitled to a similar privilege. Due to the double standard of the day, girls would certainly not be seen by boys the way they saw us. The only consolation was that I was never the only boy being seen. There was comfort in numbers. It was very humiliating, however, to know that girls from your neighborhood and school classes had seen you naked. Most were experts at those knowing grins.
 
Although my two sisters, 1-1/2 and 3 years younger than me sometimes attended my practices with my mother, my mother would never consider allowing them to bring friends along. It was other moms and sisters who brought other girls along, some of whom I knew both from the neighborhood and school. It was these "others" who were among the boldest teasers. If one of my sisters' friends had come along, she would have felt very empowered and emboldened, and would have teased me incessantly. I would have had a hard time facing her.
 
I have two teenage children, one boy and one girl, and neither would believe that we accepted the inherent humiliation that went along with participation in YMCA swimming activities. At the time, I am sure the YMCA justified their policy by saying:
 
1) We only allowed family members (and accompanying guests) to view the practices, and somebody had to bring the boys since they were not old enough to drive, and
 
2) Itís only boys, anyway.
 
I am amazed today that the YMCA was not more sensitive to the issues of sexuality among early teens. Our coach never did anything remotely inappropriate, but it was still embarrassing to be nude in front of this cute mid 20's age girl, and allowing girls our age, older and younger to see us, especially in the shower, was the ultimate in humiliation. If I had not really loved the competitive swimming and had my parents not pushed it, I don't believe I would have tolerated this as long as I did.
 
 
 
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« Reply #35 on: Sep 24th, 2010, 7:33am »
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As I often say, I would have never agreed to a forced situation of CFNM, as a kid! Furthermore, I feel it is deplorable that this may have occurred, despite my CFNM acceptance of today.  
The boy/man must be accepting of the CFNM for it to truly work, for all who participate. Only then should CFNM activities be considered positive experiences.  
 
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I realize Bobby_Bare's posts were from another board. I only meant to refer to the ones which he posted.
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« Reply #36 on: Sep 24th, 2010, 9:55am »
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For 'Reformed' and others who have asked for the link to Deb's post.
I have not posted the link because I have to ask that forum's moderator's permission first. Why? Because I think he is also a member of this forum, unless they have the same identical name, and may not want to reveal his personal forum here. It is a very recent, new forum I believe, and he started it by reposting several other posts for others to comment upon, including Deb's post.
So you won't get any information there from her since it is a repost. I don't know if there is her email there since it is not clear on my screen.
One of the moderators on this forum has said in a post above that he has her email and even corresponded with her, so he may be of more help. I have also asked him to tell us where the original post appeared, as you can see from my post following his, but he hasn't replied yet.
It is no problem for me to post the link where I copied her post, word for word by copy and paste, but as I said I have to ask the forum's moderator first.
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« Reply #37 on: Sep 24th, 2010, 10:56am »
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I'm not contending that it *never* happened, and I do believe some of those stories told by some of our members that they may have experienced it in, say, private swim lessons somewhere, skinny dipping in a river, etc. † But the notion that the policies of these/any institution allowing females to enter into an area where the boys were swimming nude is not plausible.

 
I suppose it may hinge on exactly what is meant by the "policy" of a Y, but I definitely took swimming classes two different times in the late 1940s at two Y's in the Boston area where the boys swam nude and the instructors/lifeguards were suited women. I can clearly and without equivocation recall these classes took place that way. These were not fill-in instructors either; they taught the entire series of classes. I have no way of knowing if there was a written policy supporting (or excluding) this practice. I vaguely recall that it had something to do with a carryover from there being too few men available during the war, but why I think that I cannot be sure. My mother was an extremely proficient swimmer and she was strongly in favor of my learning to swim well at an early age. One of the women instructors was a woman who was the mother of a friend of mine, but who was not in the class. I am pretty sure my mother knew her, and thought well of my learning from her. I am sure I had at least one discussion with my mother about the situation -- either she told me about it first or I mentioned it to her afterwards -- and she assured me it was all right. That somewhat implies that I felt uncomfortable about it, or some other boys did, or at a minimum I knew it odd or not the norm. (During the same years this was happening I was spending summers at my grandfather's summer house, right on the beach on Massachusett's South Shore, and wearing a bathing suit when I swam there in the ocean.)
 
I can also vaguely recall "adult" women being present in the pool or locker room area from time to time, possibly sometimes they were mothers of boys, or women from the front desk of the Y.  
 
Based on my experience, I think it entirely plausible that female instructors and perhaps some other personnel were not only allowed into the pool from time to time, but had agreed upon and likely paid jobs doing so at various Y's around the country, though I cannot even estimate how representative my experience was.  
 
On the other hand, I personally never saw spectators, sisters or other than possibly mothers of boys in the pool or locker room areas that I can recall. And I think I would recall it if there had been girls about my own age seeing me nude.
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Thanks, Rodney! It get tedious having to defend one's own life experience.
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I've probably been the most vocal on this board against criticizing any poster about their being truthful.   And when reading the accounts of Rodney and Allan, I believe them.
 
Ever since the situation of boy's swim classes was brought up 15 years ago when the Internet was young, I've been constantly looking for any account that can be substantiated wherein it was common practice of cross-gender monitoring of boys swim classes wherein the buys were required to be naked.  
 
Again, at the risk of being overly redundant, I'm not saying it never happened, and believe Rodney and Allan.    But of the 262 articles I posted about it, I never found a single instance.   I'd love nothing better than to find such a substantiated account as it would stop a lot of debating about this subject.
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Brad, what do you mean by 'substantiated' articles?
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« Reply #41 on: Sep 25th, 2010, 10:05am »
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I remember reading a local newspaper article describing how young kids used to be taught to swim at the local high school back in the '60s. The kids were all naked. The instructor was male, but it did mention that on occasion, a female teacher may have been present. There was even a photo in the paper showing their bare butts from behind as they ran away. Since they were little kids just old enough to learn to swim on their own, nobody thought much of it back then. I wish I had cut out the article when I had the chance. I took swimming lessons at the same school, but I had a suit. Maybe I was too old at the time for nudity. So I know this sort of thing really did happen.
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« Reply #42 on: Sep 25th, 2010, 5:50pm »
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Just thought I would throw my two cents into the pot.
 
I do not find it at all unusual that there are no articles about nude swimming at the Y or anywhere else for that matter. During the periods discussed by various posters (40s through 60s and maybe earlier) public nudity and things sexual were discouraged and discussion of them rare. However, I personally remember the rule of swimming nude at the YMCA. I never experienced it because I took swimming lessons at the local YWCA and later at the local country club where nudity was definately not allowed. I see no reason, given the generally known rules for nude swimming at the YMCA that reporters would not find this "newsworthy" and probably not a topic that would be acceptable for their readership. Additionally, I swam competitively on a local swim team, with less than stellar results, but never saw any of the results of our swim meets published in any paper other than the very small local weekly. So it does not surprise me that no news reports about Boy's Club or YMCA swim meets cannot be found or even that nudity would not be mentioned even if the results could be found.
 
 Remember, that the sexual activities of many of our leaders were not revealed in the press of the time because they did not deem it important or newsworthy. The information about sexual daliances didn't come to light until the news media became reobsessed with sesationalism as a way to sell their product.
 
It is so easy to say that something is not true and to call the person imparting the information, a liar, if one has not experienced the same things being described. I am also sure that many stories we read, especially in the "tabloids", are embelished or even made up to fit the audience, but each person must evaluate the information they receive and not necessarily jump to the conclusion that it is a lie, because one had never, ever, heard of such a thing or experienced it first hand.
 
Whatever the truth of the story of the Olympic swimmer grandmother, it is a great story. I, for one, find it as very possible.
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Exactly.
The Y is a rather mundane place that reflected prevailing values.
 
There wouldn't be so many stories about nude swimming there if such things didn't happen.
 
People would make up highly charged erotic situations and they would virtually have to be in secret clubs or among children so young nobody paid much attention or thought it especially scandalous rather than in public institutions.
 
Some such situations, as teenaged babysitters bathing boys 10 years old, have been recounted and there's no reason to doubt them. But again, they took place in the context of a recognized institution, babysitting, and the parents told her to take care of him.
 
There are those things that can and do happen and those things that, however possible and even desirable, don't happen. Swimming at the Y and babysitting situations could and did -- perhaps do-- happen because they were in the context or average, normal life.
 
Things change. Today a white person isn't likely to casually insult a black person he sees in public or even shove him out of the way with little fear of legal or social repercussions. That could and did happen when I was a small child and I saw such things.  
There have been equally drastic if less morally and socially important changes in the rules of nudity.
Don't expect the same rules to be in place in another 60 years -- but you may not even notice them change.
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« Reply #44 on: Sep 25th, 2010, 9:56pm »
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Good post, PC. And yours too, Maverick.
 
It is curious why Brad's search for proof has proved so empty of results. I do not doubt he has been diligent in his search, if not exhaustive.  
 
I think it quite plausible that the reason there were no "policy papers" for Brad to find (if that is what he was looking for) agreeing to women as fill-in or even permanent instructors could well be that women were not generally welcome in the YMCA, except perhaps in times of war and the following period, and then only grudgingly. But that of course did not stop women with children, especially boy children, finding the best situations for their offspring. And if swimming and learning how to do it well was the issue, I am sure my mother and many others would have overturned city hall in finding a venue. As I said in my earlier post, I have the vague recollection, an abiding sense, that women more or less actually ran the Y's I went to as a child. They had facilities there, some of them in quite short supply, like pools, and so that was that: the kids came first, so lets just get on with it. During the days  -- the only times I used the Y's I think -- I seldom saw an adult male there. Sometimes teen males, but that was it. Dads were off working I suppose and mothers took over the premises.
 
I am not sure if whoever really had control of Y's -- boards I assume -- liked or disliked this situation. But it was clearly the reality that I experienced. Men generally write rules about these types of things, in my experience. Women usually just go about making things work practically, especially when their children are involved. You need to swim nude to meet the rules? OK, swim nude. You need an instructor so your kids don't drown? OK, Mrs. Smith taught swimming, she can do it...I know her and her kids and she will make sure Allan doesn't kill himself jumping off the diving board. Etc.
 
And I also think that two notions that are near and dear to our current age -- women are sexual and children can be the subject of sexual exploitation -- were virtually non-existent in the public discourse back in the 40's through 60's. I consider myself a reasonably smart guy and I certainly did not hear much or most anything about either. And another notion that is probably still controversial or foreign today -- that children are sexual beings too, and could have repercussions (like CFNM?) from early experiences -- was about as acceptable an idea as communism. I could go on, but why belabor the point. Times have changed. Gradually, very gradually, but they did.  
 
I think Maverick's point about the press disregarding most everything about sexual matters -- like JFK's romances, etc. -- unless they were established formulaic material like starlets and mobsters, people outside the mainstream, goes a long way to explaining why there is so little or nothing about boys swimming nude at Y's with some women present. It was not news fit to print, or even recognize.
 
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« Reply #45 on: Sep 26th, 2010, 12:05am »
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For those that have been reading the articles I uploaded (see link above), the following is a Dear Abby column printed on Sept. 22, 1970. † Let me know if you want just this one news article uploaded -
 
Abby's response was more of a contemporary position, but the position of the writer's sister, brother-in-law and husband was that it was okay for boys to be required to swim nude around sisters and female cousins as having their genitals exposed to these girls would prevent the boys from "keeping secrets" from the girls. †
 
Imagine the implications of that kind of perspective back in those days. †For instance, if the mom walked in on the kids and they were playing doctor and the girls were inspecting the boy's penises, the mom might just laugh at it and let them continue their such play. †In today's world, the mom would probably take the girls to a therapist.


DEAR ABBY: My sister has a beach front summer place on a lake.- She also has two boys, ages 8 and 10, and two girls, 9 and 12. When the weather permits, she requires the boys play on the beach and in the water completely nude. However, she has the girls wear swim suits. We have two children, a boy 9 and a girl 11, who would enjoy a vacation at the lake, but I don't like this nude boy bit. † My husband says I am wrong.
 
When I discussed it with my sister, she said it was good to bring up boys without secrets from their sisters, and I should do the same. I half jokingly asked her if she thought Dear Abby would agree with her and she bet you would because you had a pliant sense of fundamental realities. I agreed to write to you and show her your answer. I also agreed to concur with it. What do you say?
 

 
The point is, 20 years before this article, it is conceivable that parents would be perfectly okay with their boys participating nude in swim classes with female instructors.
 
Perhaps I need to withdraw my thoughts it was implausible that CFNM swim classes occurred back in the day. †If I find anything else, I'll post.
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Here is a post posted yesterday on the Topix forums. Is this a 'substantiated account' since it mentions the place and the year?
 
 "I can tell you for a fact that at the Lee Circle YMCA in New Orleans that I took swimming lessons as a 9 year old boy in 1963 and our instructor was a lady named Mrs Evlin Wingerter. She was a wonderful kind lady of about 50 years who had been my third grade teacher the year before. She told us that we should not be embarrased at not being dressed as it was the rules set up by the YMCA for the best way to preserve hygene and keep the clorine level of the water down. She also told us that she had two sons our age and had taught one to swim at the Y the year before. Her other son was among our class of 10 boys aged from 6 to 12 years old. She observed one boy about age 10 making an effort to keep himself covered with his hand. Mrs Wingerter explained to us as a group that we had nothing to be ashamed of being undressed in front her who was a mother or other members of our own sex. I never saw another lady at the Y pool after the two weeks we attended these lessons with this lady. (She of course was always in a one piece suit) She was very professional and frendly the entire time. She taught is how to swim well enough that I was able to save my own life a couple of years later at camp. All the boys were tested and fair swimmers by the time our lessons ended. My parents paid the $15.00 and it was well worth saving my life when a canoe I was in flipped over at the camp. She did her job as well or better than most men would have been able to perform making even the shyer boys feel very comfortable and skilled swimmers. "
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This is a milestone. † After many, many hours of research, I have FINALLY found absolute proof that:

 
1. †It was mandatory for these boys to swim completely nude in government-sponsored programs;
 
2. †In the program below, these boy could not be younger than 10 but could be as old as 15 years in age in Junior High,
 
3. † Female †swimming instructors supervised these classes, and,
 
4. †Parents of both gender would watch the boys - in one meet it was reported 650 family members showed. †

 
I began to research newspaper articles of a public swimming program sponsored by the †Department of Public Recreation in Sheboygan, Wisconsin in the 1950s. † †This program sponsored swim classes for boys and girls up through high school.
 
Here's are two - the first was in 1952 and clearly states "boys swim in the nude":
 

 
Here is a 1959 article that reiterates that the boys are not to wear swim trunks during class:
 

 
 
Now, here's where the program gets interesting. †As with the other articles, it indicates towards the end that the girls will wear swimming suits, but "swimming suits are not required for boys".
 
However, it says that the classes will have four supervisors, two men for the morning classes, and a man and a woman - Miss Evelyn Hern, for the afternoon classes. † †But if you're thinking Miss Hern will only be with the girls, you're mistaken. † The article discusses how it will be a *boys-only* program from Nov through Feb, then a girls-only program thereafter. †This meant that Miss Hern was there supervising the afternoon sessions for the boys, which was to be the Junior High boys swim class.  Although it indicated anyone that couldn't make the morning classes could be in her afternoon classes. † And I would guess a lot of the boys had excuses why the couldn't make the morning session and instead had to be in her class! †Wink
 

 
 
The following one is even more curious. † †It mentions again that only the girls wear swimsuits, but then at the end discusses how families were invited one day to stand on the balconies right above the pool and watch the boys compete. † 550 men and women showed to watch the boys. †It doesn't state if others were there, but with 550 people watching, you'd assume it was pretty much open, and you might think girls would have been part of such a large crowd.
 
I can't imagine how it felt to be a, say, 14 year old boy on that day swimming stark naked as hundreds of females watched me.
 
It should also be noted that this year a Miss Maradel Honold was in charge, although it doesn't provide evidence she was supervising the boys as it does in the previous one.
 

 
 
 
SOOOOO, Alan, you've been vindicated. † †Hell, you may have been in one of these classes!
 
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What I find amusing and 'diplomatic' about this newspaper article is that it doesn't say that the boys have to swim nude, but simply "The girls are supplied with swimsuits", which obviously implies that the boys don't need swimsuits.
What is missing from this newspaper article after describing the boys and girls swimming progress in detail are photos to illustrate it. I'm sure there would have been photographers beside the journalists for this popular event.
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on Sep 26th, 2010, 8:26am, Bobby_Bare wrote:
What I find amusing and 'diplomatic' about this newspaper article is that it doesn't say that the boys have to swim nude, but simply "The girls are supplied with swimsuits", which obviously implies that the boys don't need swimsuits.
What is missing from this newspaper article after describing the boys and girls swimming progress in detail are photos to illustrate it. I'm sure there would have been photographers beside the journalists for this popular event.

 
I re-edited it.   Here are some vintage photos.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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