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Female Guard disciplines Prisoner for masturbating
« on: Mar 10th, 2010, 5:27am »
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Has anyone heard of that story which was in the papers a few months ago about a female guard in a male prison in Florida who reported a guy for discipline becuase she saw him masturbating in his cell over the monitor she was on duty watching? This case ended up in court because the guy protested that he shouldn't be punished for it, and so it ended up also in the papers and news.
Honest, these guys in prison have no privacy at all, it seems they even have cameras in their cells so they can be monitored at all times, even by female personnel. Is this fair? It seems that masturbation is a disciplinary crime in prisons, but I don't know if this applies to all prisons or just some of them.
This rule also applies in some female prisons because I saw a TV live show once in which a woman visiting a female prison protested about this rule for the female inmates. But this does not concern us here being mostly interested in CFNM situations. But I ask again, is it fair for these guys to be watched by female personnel to see that they do not masturbate in their cell? Although a CFNM fan would probably enjoy that situation.
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 10th, 2010, 10:20am »
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I understand certain types of prisoner might need to be monitored 24 hours a day - but I can't in all honesty see why they mustn't masturbate.
 
A man's sexual urges don't go away just because he's locked up. It seems to me far better for him to enjoy some self pleasuring rather than seeking alternative ways to 'relieve' himself.
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Re: Female Guard disciplines Prisoner for masturba
« Reply #2 on: Mar 10th, 2010, 1:29pm »
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Chilled_Jill is right! Men (and women, too) need some kind of sexual outlet. Better self pleasure, in private,  than homosexual/lesbian rape!
 
Bobby_Bare,
 
Do you know how the court case wound up? I would hope that the legal system would recognize :
1) That prisoners are entitled to some privacy, and
2) That inmates of either gender need some form of sexual release.
The old rules of the Catholic Church, and present day fundamentalist sects shouldn't be "the gospel" in prisons!
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 10th, 2010, 2:34pm »
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"Chilled Jill" is perfectly right.
 
 if a male inmate needs some form of sexual release, it is better for every body that he masturbates and have self pleasure in private in his cell than a homosexual rape as it is often practiced in jail like we know, it is more secure for younger and attractive inmates to let him relieve himself by masturbating.
 
As "SingleDonald" said, the forbidden of masturbating was an old rule of the catholic church which is now considered by every person of common sense as stupid.
 
We must think to all the teenagers boys who were students in boarding schools and had been punished in the past, even by corporal punishment. for having masturbated themselves.
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 10th, 2010, 2:36pm »
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I don't know how the case ended up because I didn't follow it, but it had quite a good publicity and there were some Net forums dedicated to it, not sure which ones, probably Topix or similar. I will try to find out where it was discussed. But I remember there was quite a heated discussion about it, many calling this female employee quite a few names.
I think this woman's excuse was that the prisoner knew that she was on duty watching the monitors and so he masturbated in front of the camera for her to watch.
However there are other accounts, but don't know if they are true, of the opposite in some prisons, that is the female guards telling the prisoners to masturbate in front of them while watching over them showering.
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Re: Female Guard disciplines Prisoner for masturba
« Reply #5 on: Mar 10th, 2010, 2:58pm »
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This case has been discussed before here.  The issue is somewhat more complicated that merely masturbating.  It had more to do with exhibiting oneself in front of the female guard.  Apparently the prison had a rule against it and the female guard was just enforcing the rule.  
 
That doesn't mean that I am necessarily in agreement with the rule.  My personal belief is that if one accepts a job as a guard in a male prison one should accept the realities of dealing with male prisoners.  If one doesn't like the sight of blood one should not be a surgeon.  Conduct no matter how offensive that does not endanger anyone and does not disrupt the operation of the prison should be ignored.
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Re: Female Guard disciplines Prisoner for masturba
« Reply #6 on: Mar 10th, 2010, 3:53pm »
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easter_man_10,
 
I made the comment about the Catholic Church & masturbation, not Bobby_Bare.
 
Bobby_Bare,
 
Thanks for the follow-up. The accounts I have read, concerning women Correction officers, said they REQUESTED the male inmates to masturbate, in front of them. To "tell them" to do so would be a form of abuse, which the C.O. would likely face discipline for. If I was an inamte (God forbid), and was asked to masturbate, I would tell the female C.O. that I would much prefer she do it to me!
 
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I agree with you, in principle. There is plenty of exposure to the female C.O.'s, during cross gender strip searches (if permitted; N.Y. State only allows them in emergency situations.), and shower supervision. If a girl guard happens to see a guy undress on the monitor, what's the big deal? CFNM is the norm in most prisons now. So long it is done tactfully, the inmates & women C.O.'s should be comfortable with, and even enjoy it!
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 10th, 2010, 5:07pm »
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"SingleDonald" ; sorry for the mistake, I have modified my post.
 
As regards CFMN situations, I think also that they are frequent in prisons as long as female guards are present to nude strip search of male inmates and can supervise the inmates under the showers.
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 11th, 2010, 12:51am »
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If they really didn't want prisoners masturbating, they'd make all of them wear chastity belts.
 
But that's a whole different genre.
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 11th, 2010, 2:08am »
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I think most prison staff would probably ignore this rule, knowing it is impossible to enforce, as long as it is done discreetly.
I think this woman was offended by the act or was a sadist or just wanted to enforce the rule. In fact it is reported that this same female guard did this to other prisoners as well. As another poster has said other female staff doing the same job would probably enjoy watching the guys masturbate in their cells or while watching them in the showers. They probably enjoy it more knowing that they are the only females that these guys ever see in there and so would be their prime cause of their masturbation.  
Let's face it, being locked up in there and not seeing any females anywhere would be hard to resist knowing that a female guard was watching you on a monitor or looking at you while showering.
But I think some of these girls love to tease the men with their presence while they are nude and keeeping them from releasing themselves. They love the power they have over these men. It is CFNM at its best.
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Re: Female Guard disciplines Prisoner for masturba
« Reply #10 on: Mar 11th, 2010, 4:03am »
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The situation is also different between teenagers being seen naked by female guards in juvenile prisonsand older used to sexual affairs with the opposite sex.
 
The first ones would be more embarrassed in my opinion when female guards are doing strip searches or are supervising their showers or are present at naked medical examination than the second ones who are adults and know the life and may be enjoy to show their anatomy to women or do not mind it
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 11th, 2010, 10:19am »
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Here is a similar account, but in  a different situation, where college girls used to act as counsellors with boys at a summer camp.
These girls lived-in with the boys in their cabins and would frequently see them with erections and catching them masturbating since they monitored them in the showers and at night and most of the time.
Notice the different reactions of the girls, although most of them enjoyed watching them with erections, they had different reactions when catching them masturbating, some ignored it, some scolded them, while others enjoyed watching them.
http://www.voy.com/217785/1745.html
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Re: Female Guard disciplines Prisoner for masturba
« Reply #12 on: Mar 12th, 2010, 3:09am »
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Folks should learn more about what really goes on in prisons.   Here in California there are 100,000 beds for prisoners, but 173,000 inmates.   Overcrowding and gang affiliations make them extraordinarily dangerous.    Prison guards are cautious about "dis-ing" inmates needlessly as their lives are on the line.   Guards cannot carry guns or other weapons other than mace or a baton as prisoners could get them.
 
Consequently, guards typically only make reports when inmates are intentionally exposing themselves to the female guards.   Inmates routinely smoke pot, crack and even heroin; hence, I don't think their masturbating discretely causes any concern by guards, even though it is "banned".    
 
The Florida case is rare and absurd and not reflective of the realities of prisons.
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 12th, 2010, 3:18pm »
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here in the United States we have the National Geographic cable channel. they have been airing a series that deals with prisions in America. every now and then there will be women prision gards on this program.  
 
the prisioners will call the female gards over to their cell door to discuss little problems, or sum such thing. you see the prisioner's face in little window of the steel cell door.  
 
in this episode after talking with this prisioner, this female gard said that the prisioner was masturbating. she said that the male prisioners will call female gards over to their door to talk as they masturbate. she said that it was a violation that she could charge him with.
 
what got me is that, this woman was not very good looking. I guess when your in prision things start to look pretty good.
 
masturbation is a violation in most prisions in the United States. it has something to do with sodomy laws.
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 12th, 2010, 7:05pm »
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I find it both ridiculous and hilarious at the same time that a man locked up in prison without any sexual outlet whatsover would be punished if caught masturbating.
To make things even worse for these men they put these female guards in front of them as temptation and to watch them to see that they do not masturbate.
These women, some of them just girls out of college, of course know that these men are starving for sex and just being in their presence is enough to tease them knowing the men can't do anything about it.
Actually I wonder how these men can help not jerking off while showering nude with these females looking on at them.  
Incidentally I saw a movie some years ago which was about this subject. In one scene it shows this young female guard who was monitoring some male prisoners showering going up to a prisoner and shouting at him and warning him that he must not be rude in front of her. Has anyone seen this movie and remember what the title was? It was very realistic without being pornographic in any way, probably based on a true story or experience of two young female guards working in a male prison.
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Re: Female Guard disciplines Prisoner for masturba
« Reply #15 on: Mar 12th, 2010, 9:36pm »
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This reminds me of a woman I knew at a job I once worked at, who was leaving for a new job as emergency dispatcher. She was a hot sexy babe by the way who gave me a juicy goodbye kiss that made me realize that I had missed a royal opportunity while working with her. The buzz with the women at the job she was leaving was that she was to watch the jail cells in the police station as part of her new job responsibilities and that the male jail birds had absolutely no privacy and had she would have video cameras to watch them.
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« Reply #16 on: Mar 12th, 2010, 10:39pm »
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women being prison gards in the mens prison system, that was something that came about in the 1980s, women's equal rights in the work place law. these women asked for the job.  
 
 
as for the movie, I think that might have been the made for Amreican cable teleivision movie, OZ. it was pretty graphic, killings and young guys getting raped in the showers. the film portrayed prison as being a very dangerous place.
 
back in the 1970s there was a lot of talk about prison reform. I remember hearing something about giving prisoners access to sexual gratification machines. it was only talk.  
 
in the mid 1970s, I don't remember where this was in the United States, but there was a state that did some kind of an experiment with running a coed minimum security jail. men and women openly went about the jail and shared the same jail cells.  it was set up for people serving time for minor violations of the law. the petty misdemeanor criminals serving less then a month.
 
by the end of the 1980s every body wanted to get tough on crime, and did a way with prison reform programs.  
 
the first thing to go was their weight lifting equipment. in prison with nothing to do, but work out all the time, prisoners were becoming these big scary bruts.  
 
when these big guys got out of prison, they were seen as a threat to the people in the community.
 
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 12th, 2010, 11:30pm »
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I know that prison is a place of punishment, but depriving prisoners from masturbating is a bit extreme. I don't know if this rule is also applied in other countries, would be curious to know.
However it is also applies in female prisons in America for sure because I saw a programme a few years ago where a female TV personality went with a camera crew in one of these prisons in America and after looking at the prison rules commented in front of the camera that this rule was ridiculous. I remember some of her exact words "Don't tell me a woman can't even fuck herself in here". In fact she made a whole 5 or 10 minute speech about it. She was a black comedian personality but can't remember her name.
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 13th, 2010, 12:17pm »
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here in the United States, the ideas about masturbation and the law are still based the beliefs made druing the turn of the century, and the victorian era. that masturbation lead to insanity and the decay of American society.  
 
the temperance groups and christian coalition are still fighting really hard to keep these rules in affect.  they are going to make the people in the prison system into good christians. if they allowed people in prison to masturbate you would never hear the end of it from the religious right.
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 13th, 2010, 2:40pm »
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ralph60,
 
Your post about taboos which existed at the turn of the 19th/20th centuries makes me convinced that a court challenge to any punishment is long overdue! So long as the man or woman in prison did this in private, the prison staff should mind their own business!
As expressed earlier, I especially like the matter of mixing the sexes, in prison. I didn't know that one state actually tried this, in the 1970's. I wonder how it all worked out?  
Come to think of it, as I type, a memory comes back to me. I read of some experiment where the genders were mixed, in prison. A female C.O. announced that she didn't want to see any "mouth to mouth" activity there, as nobody was "drowinng"! The article went on to say that men and women need each other for purposes other than sex. While this is true, any such prison would eventually have to realize that sex would be inevitable, and that it should be tolerated, so long as no coercion took place. I believe that is the way Scandanavian prisons operate.
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Re: Female Guard disciplines Prisoner for masturba
« Reply #20 on: Mar 13th, 2010, 3:05pm »
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Presumably the "no masturbation" rule was created by men.  
 
In a sense, it's almost like a form of castration - the defeated prisoner is deprived of his sexual pleasures as part of his humiliation / surrender.  
 
Perhaps there's some kind of primitive power game behind the original ruling.
 
Of course, it might just be to reduce the amount of cleaning up afterwards - boys can be messy  Wink
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Although I am not against the idea of mixing sexes together in prison I think it is not practical for several reasons.
To begin with a prison is a place of punishment not a pleasure palace. Secondly there would probably be chaos and disorder if you mixed both sexes in prison because there would be fights among men over the women and same with women fighting over men.  
The only females there should be in a male prison are the female guards and other administration staff. This is not just from my point of view as a CFNM affacionado but also for other social/practical reasons.
As I said I am not against masturbation in prisons, but just as a power game between the male prisoners and the female staff.
However in some European prisons at least they have what they call 'conjugal visits' where the actual wives and girlfriends of the prisoners are given a specific time to spend with  their husbands or boyfriends in their private cells to make love and be more intimate. I agree with this practice not just because it is a sexual release but also for the sake of the blameless relatives of the prisoners and to keep families together. Of course these conjugal visits are limited to specific times only, maybe once a week or so, I don't know the exact procedure. I think this practice should be adopted in all prisons.
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« Reply #22 on: Mar 14th, 2010, 5:09am »
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"as for the movie, I think that might have been the made for Amreican cable teleivision movie, OZ. it was pretty graphic, killings and young guys getting raped in the showers. the film portrayed prison as being a very dangerous place."
 
They did a parody of that on Family GUy. "I know what goes on in those prisons, I've seen Oz."
 
Coed prisons might be a good idea for non-violent offenders but to have men and women together in cases where a large number of prisoners could be there for sex crimes or rape would likely be a disaster.
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« Reply #23 on: Mar 14th, 2010, 8:12am »
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Seems the Inmate was found Guilty, and had his 10 yr sentence extended by 60 days. In addition to reporting the said 5 knuckle shuffler, the female Guard had also reported another 7 inmates, of the same act...! (Full Article Below!!!)
 
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/july2007/guilty_wanker.html
 
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P.s. Sorry if the outcome of the Trial had already been mentioned in this thread, I sped read thru it, and may have missed something.
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 14th, 2010, 9:43am »
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Incredible, 60 days jail for masturbating in his own private cell. But according to this court and jury a prisoner's private cell is not 'private property'. Really makes you laugh. So if they can't do it in their private cell where can they do it since they are monitored all the time and I assume nowhere else in prison is private property, including showers and bathrooms.
However they did make an exception, they can only do it under the blankets in bed.
This woman certainly does not like the practice because she has reported 7 other prisoners for same as reported here. I wonder if she monitors their showers too. She would probably report them for discipline if they got an erection in front of her. Great CFNM stuff.
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« Reply #25 on: Mar 14th, 2010, 10:50am »
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Well at least the rules allow them to do it under their blankets.
 
I wonder what he'll spend those extra 60 days doing  Wink
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on Mar 14th, 2010, 10:50am, Chilled_Jill wrote:
Well at least the rules allow them to do it under their blankets.
 
I wonder what he'll spend those extra 60 days doing Wink

 
Probably earning further other 60 days for doing the same thing. Might as well give him life since he's already in for 20 years. And if he's a CFNM fan he probably can't help it.
Actually it doesn't say that the rules allow for doing it under the blankets, it just says that the guards simply ignore it, so I was mistaken there.
Btw, Jill, would you allow the prisoners to do it while you were monitoring them? Just curious.
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Btw, Jill, would you allow the prisoners to do it while you were monitoring them? Just curious.

Yes. At least while a guy's doing that, you know he's not up to any other mischief.  Wink
 
Prisons are unnatural places where life gets turned upside down. Whatever a guy has done wrong, I don't think the answer is to ban his natural urges - it's going to create more problems than it solves.  
 
It would make much more sense to have a clear rule about the issue, with a clearly stated penalty for disobeying. Then we wouldn't waste time and effort on court cases.  
 
If you try to suppress a man's sex drive it will reach the overflow point where he's just desperate to do something about it.
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« Reply #28 on: Mar 14th, 2010, 6:47pm »
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Chilled_Jill,
 
Very well put!
Another possibility of the consequenses of sexual supression may be the cases we read of involving pedophile priests. One theory of what causes pedophilia is that the man's sex drive was supressed at a very young age. He then seeks gratification with those members who resemble his contemporaries, at the time of this supression. This view is far from scientific, I realize. However, when you consider the Church's ridiculous rule on celibacy, coupled with the type of men the Church therefore attracts, there is a possible correlation between forced celibacy and the theory of sexually repressed consequences.
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Synchronistically I just came across this article- http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=10097629
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on Mar 15th, 2010, 3:19am, Nudeslave83 wrote:
Synchronistically I just came across this article

Fascinating reading, thank you for the link
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Yes, thanks Nudeslave83. That was an  interesting piece.  
 
I know a highly intelligent woman, in fact a world-class philosopher with many books to her credit and speaking engagements around the world, who developed a relationship with a convict while he was in prison through an odd meeting while she was advising prison officials (it's a long story, but her field is complicated ethical dilemmas). Over time she thought she was in love with this man, and managed to manipulate situations so they could have a sort of rudimentary sex via, if you can imagine it, their feet while he was still in prison (a murder rap, no less). She told me that his ability to subtly seduce and inveigle her was astonishing. Of course, she was vulnerable to his sexual attractiveness. But she did not fault him for it, even as she realized how much of a fool she was being. I found her story fascinating because it shows how similar is the ability of either gender to seduce the other, given the right circumstances (and a lot of spare time, too, I imagine). Certainly there are hundreds of cases of men being seduced beyond their reason by women. It is interesting the see the same thing happening in prisons in such clear cut ways.
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I presume that you know that in France  and other european countries, during a long time in the past, there was a rule which was strictly applied in the juvenile prisons :  "masturbation was forbidden '" because the catholic priests were considering that masturbation was a sin  and most of the juvenile prisons had their rules very inspired by catholic rules.
 
so if male tenagers between 14 and 18 age who were in these juvenile prisons were caught when they were masturbating thelselves, they had a punishment.
 
It was the same for students in boarding schools.
 
I don't think that this stupid rule was applied in adults prisons and I think also that things must  have changed in juvenile prisons,  if the male tenagers are enough discreet, masturbation is certainly tolerated .
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