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« on: Jul 1st, 2005, 3:00am »
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Hi All
I have been a guest here for a while and finally got up the nerve to register and post.
 
I think much cfnm interest begins  in the family but it seems that some people are made very uncomfortable about that idea probably because of the incest implications of the whole thing. But I decided to share my experiences anyway. I feel that my interest in this topic did indeed and start in my family.
 
I grew up on a dairy farm. I had 3 older brothers and one younger brother and I saw them all nude (and my father naked too) everyday.
 
On a farm the men do chores twice a day which is milking the cows and it is very dirty work. The guys get absolutely filthy doing it and Mother kept a very clean house and so Daddy came up with a solution which was to install a shower in the garage so nobody's dirty clothes ended up in the house. Twice a day Daddy and the boys would come in from chores and all strip naked in the garage to shower. Being a very practical man Daddy didn't put walls around the shower it was just open to the garage. Later he added a second shower stal.
 
On a farm all kids have a job and mine was to gather the clothes they all took off and put them in the washer. I was also responsible for making sure there were towels, soap, and shampoo and clean underwear and socks. This meant that I was in the garage while they were all naked. Only one (and later two) of them could shower at a time and it was not uncommon for 3 brothers to be standing around the garage totally naked waiting for their turns in the shower.
 
I definitely confess that I enjoyed this a lot. I should add that my parents were german immigrants so I think they were less uptight about nudity than Americans are.
 
I really liked seeing their penises and watching them develop and grow pubic hair, etc... My brother  Jamie especially developed a pretty big penis and I was horribly guilty for years that when i began to masturbate I would think about my brothers (especially Jamie) penises that I had just seen. I felt like a real pervert for years unitl i finally went to a sex therapist and finally got over it.
 
I also enjoyed the feeling of power I got by being the only clothed one while they were all naked.
 
No nothing sexual ever happened except that sometimes one of the boys would get an erection.
 
I think for women the cfnm is partly about the power from being clothed while the guys are naked.
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Re: CFNM in the family
« Reply #1 on: Jul 1st, 2005, 1:04pm »
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Thanks for the post! And welcome.
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Re: CFNM in the family
« Reply #2 on: Jul 5th, 2005, 3:48am »
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I like to hear about family CFNM.  Its one of my favorites.  My first exposer of CFNM on the web was a story call Aunt Jan's Hot Tub by lengtylarry on literotica.com.  Its was a hot story I got into CFNM content online from that.  I think that whole uncomfortable feeling about incest implications is for nothing.  Is just fantasy.  I mean from the old from it seems like people like the Misterstalker's "A New Family Comes To Capitol Hill" .  I mean that story is mad hot and it has Diego having to be naked and getting naked in front of mom and cousin.  And his cousin jerks him of at one point.  Its awesome.  What happen to that series?  The last story I read was misterstaker's at bayside park.  I know the series is current on yehu's cfnmtales blog but are there any more?
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 30th, 2006, 7:02pm »
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AT a family wedding this weekend my sister-in-law (wife of my brother Jamie) had had too much to drink and started to talk about wrong she thought it was that the boys showered in the garage and were seen naked by me. Apparently Jamie has told her over the years that it made him very uncomfortable and to this day he is uncomfortable around me because I saw him naked all the time. He says he felt like it was incest or something. He felt embarassed that I have seen him hard and that I can still picture it whenever I want. He feells abused and molested by the whole thing. He says that it makes it difficult to be close to me. I am quite shocked and not sure if I should feel guilt or not.
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Re: CFNM in the family
« Reply #4 on: Jan 30th, 2006, 7:43pm »
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I LOVE THAT STORY!
 
on Jul 5th, 2005, 3:48am, 4her2C wrote:
My first exposer [sic] of CFNM on the web was a story call Aunt Jan's Hot Tub by lengthylarry on literotica.com.  Its was a hot story I got into CFNM content online from that.  

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Re: CFNM in the family
« Reply #5 on: Jan 30th, 2006, 8:56pm »
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lauraj,
 
Having finally gotten over the guilt trip with the help of a therapist, it would be a shame to go on another guilt trip. After all, that was the way you were raised in your family and you can't undo what already has been done. Maybe your brother Jamie, and maybe his wife too, are feeling guilty about their own sexual feelings. He's the one who got the erections remember? Did you do anything to purposely embarrass him either at the time or since then? Have you told them what you had  to go through to get over a guilt trip already? Maybe sit down and talk to them and ask them what they want you to do to mend the problem they are having. Good luck! It's a shame to hear that CFNM isn't always just fun and games.
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Re: CFNM in the family
« Reply #6 on: Jan 30th, 2006, 9:41pm »
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on Jan 30th, 2006, 8:56pm, Woodster wrote:
lauraj,
 
... It's a shame to hear that CFNM isn't always just fun and games.

 
As Mom used to say, "It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye!" Roll Eyes
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Re: CFNM in the family
« Reply #7 on: Jan 31st, 2006, 3:41pm »
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so your job growing up on a rather large farm was to gather dirty clothes and stock the showers? yeah right. this story has FAKE written all over it.
 
first of all, what kind of dad showers in front of his daughter. and second of all, of all the work needed to keep a farm going your "job" was to gather the dirty clothes and make sure the showers had soap, shampoo, towels, and socks?  please, that's no job. this whole story reeks of BS.  
 
sorry, that's my opinion.
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 31st, 2006, 5:12pm »
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I find this story extremely credible.  If you have ever seen the movie "How Green is my Valley", it involved a family of coal miners in Wales.  When the father and brothers would come home from the mines covered in coal dust the mother and sister would heat water and help them bathe.  Intrafamily nudity at one time was common of necessity.  It still is when the children are babies.  How many older sisters haven't seen their mother change the diapers of their baby brothers?  I should also point out that it was the mother who instigated this.  The story says that the mother refused to permit her husband and sons to come in her house dirty so the father built the shower in the garage.  Perhaps the reason I find this credible is that my uncle was a dairy farmer and I can understand why a woman wouldn't want her husband and sons to track in manure on their shoes.
  The reaction of the brother is interesting.  The fact that he feels oppressed by being naked in front of his sister means he was stimulated by cfnm.  If he wasn't, it wouldn't matter to him.
This is, however, an example of the double standard between male and female nudity.  Society is more protective of female modesty.  The reason, of course, is that females raping males is extremely uncommon.  Conversely, it is also unheard of for females to be charged with indecent exposure.  Who would complain?
  As for the writer who feels guilty about being turned on.  Why should she?  First, she had no control over the situation.  Second, she is reacting normally.  Had she engaged in an incestuous relationship to her brother she might.  But she didn't!  It is not wrong to be envious of somone with a really nice car.  It is only wrong to steal it!
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Re: CFNM in the family
« Reply #9 on: Jan 31st, 2006, 6:08pm »
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We can be skeptical about every post and flame the writers, but what good does that do anyone? People will stop posting. Guys have driven women right off this board with their skepticism about gender too.  
 
I am from a rather prudish upbringing myself and find it hard to believe sometimes when I hear about other families' attitudes about nudity. One fellow I worked for openly talked about how he walked around nude at home in front of his wife and two teenage daughters. He also said he didn't hide his erections from them either. He said that is the way men should walk around and not be ashamed. Hopefully the daughters didn't feel abused by it. Everybody in the office thought the boss's behavior was strange but he did seem sincere and he was consistent in his attitude about it so he was believed by both male and female employees.  
 
Believe it or not, CFNM actually happens sometimes.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 31st, 2006, 7:59pm »
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The story is true.  
 
I grew up around farms and male nudity was nothing to bat an eye at. It wasn't flaunted nor was it shyed away from.  
 
Farmers raise animals! The kids grow up knowing the difference between male and female from first hand experience. They see animals mating and they see baby animals being born.
 
This is just the way life is on a working farm.
 
Laura, don't bother yourself about the nay sayers.  
 
Talk to your brother when his wife isn't around, she may well be the problem. Talk to him even if it on the telephone. He needs to know that you were doing as you were told and if he has resentment he should direct it where it belongs, at MOM and DAD.
 
Get this worked out with him, and if he insists on blaming you, then you have to forget about him and move on.
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Re: CFNM in the family
« Reply #11 on: Feb 1st, 2006, 1:39pm »
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on Jan 31st, 2006, 6:08pm, Woodster wrote:
We can be skeptical about every post and flame the writers, but what good does that do anyone? People will stop posting. Guys have driven women right off this board with their skepticism about gender too.  
 
I am from a rather prudish upbringing myself and find it hard to believe sometimes when I hear about other families' attitudes about nudity. One fellow I worked for openly talked about how he walked around nude at home in front of his wife and two teenage daughters. He also said he didn't hide his erections from them either. He said that is the way men should walk around and not be ashamed. Hopefully the daughters didn't feel abused by it. Everybody in the office thought the boss's behavior was strange but he did seem sincere and he was consistent in his attitude about it so he was believed by both male and female employees.  
 
Believe it or not, CFNM actually happens sometimes.

 
You are right. Such things happen and are in fact more normal overall than citified extramodestty.
I don't understand the flamers who attack people's stories -- why would they be angry because they don't find the stories convincing?
It would be interesting to know what they're looking for.
I can see why some people would worry about gay males reading their stories, but so what, it's online? I just don't grasp the negativity in most cases, though.
I hope it doesn't discourage female posters. Most of us want them here and enjoy their presence.
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Re: CFNM in the family
« Reply #12 on: Feb 1st, 2006, 2:02pm »
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PC, you've made an assumption about lauraj's gender solely by her login ID.  You're very trusting.  I think what woodster was trying to say is that if you are going to invent stories please try and make them plausble.  I don't think that is asking too much.  The History of this Board has shown over the years that if lauraj's story goes unchallenged it will open the floodgates and a plethora of stories, each one more unbelievable than the next, will start to emerge.  That's how we end up with boys swimming nude at the YMCA while their younger sister and her friends sit in the bleachers and watch.   Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that the story is made-up.  Anyone choosing to believe it reeks of desperation.
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 1st, 2006, 4:40pm »
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nico,
 
Let's not challenge the truthfulness of every post including this one. I prefer to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and enjoy a friendly exchange of true stories and fantasies rather then spoil the fun.  We've all heard the following said: Truth is stranger than fiction. Fantasy is better than reality.
 
I feel that if you don't like what someone posted just ignore it and go on to another one that you do like. The negative comments have driven most of the women off this board.  
 
I assumed the sincerety of this post and responded accordingly.
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Re: CFNM in the family
« Reply #14 on: Feb 1st, 2006, 10:53pm »
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on Feb 1st, 2006, 4:40pm, Woodster wrote:
nico,
 
Let's not challenge the truthfulness of every post including this one. I prefer to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and enjoy a friendly exchange of true stories and fantasies rather then spoil the fun.  We've all heard the following said: Truth is stranger than fiction. Fantasy is better than reality.
 
I feel that if you don't like what someone posted just ignore it and go on to another one that you do like. The negative comments have driven most of the women off this board.  
 
I assumed the sincerety of this post and responded accordingly.

 
And you guys wonder why 99% of the posters and contributors here are male... It's because of this sort of thing happens--a female-sounding handle posts something and a friggin' battle starts up, questioning everthing the person says! Maybe we all should consider leaving judgements of people unsaid, male OR female. That way we can at least keep a few female voices out there returning and not drive any newbies away.
 
As far as this 'double-standard' of female nudity being more protected (I've seen this pop up alot here), I disagree for the most part. If society was so protective of female nudity why do the folowing things exist?:
--the accepted practice of girls flashing their breasts for beads, even at sporting events
--the fashion trends women practically have no choice but to follow or are duped by society that wearing hip-hugger jeans that make their thongs visible along with super-small shirts is part of the 'norm'
--the huge amount of female nudity vs. male nudity in the media--there's EASILY 100 times more female nudity, and when there is a penis shown in a movie, it requires an X or NC-17 rating...
 
Anyway, I just don't think that males can even begin to cry 'doublestandard' when we as males haven't faced the types of oppression and manipulation that women have--historically AND presently...
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on Feb 1st, 2006, 10:53pm, Superfluous wrote:

 
And you guys wonder why 99% of the posters and contributors here are male... It's because of this sort of thing happens--a female-sounding handle posts something and a friggin' battle starts up, questioning everthing the person says! Maybe we all should consider leaving judgements of people unsaid, male OR female. That way we can at least keep a few female voices out there returning and not drive any newbies away.
 
As far as this 'double-standard' of female nudity being more protected (I've seen this pop up alot here), I disagree for the most part. If society was so protective of female nudity why do the folowing things exist?:
--the accepted practice of girls flashing their breasts for beads, even at sporting events
--the fashion trends women practically have no choice but to follow or are duped by society that wearing hip-hugger jeans that make their thongs visible along with super-small shirts is part of the 'norm'
--the huge amount of female nudity vs. male nudity in the media--there's EASILY 100 times more female nudity, and when there is a penis shown in a movie, it requires an X or NC-17 rating...
 
Anyway, I just don't think that males can even begin to cry 'doublestandard' when we as males haven't faced the types of oppression and manipulation that women have--historically AND presently...
Female nudity is a staple in the art world.  Most of the art shows I've been to have a lot of female nudity, but little male nudity, and what's there is usually quite tame, whereas I've seen all parts of the female form explored.
 
The ideal of male beauty is such a rarity.
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« Reply #16 on: Feb 22nd, 2006, 4:15am »
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Having grown up in farm country, having worked on a farm one summer and having numerous farm girl girlfriends I‘d have to say this story is 100% credible.  The description of the farm house mudroom and shower is dead on.  Every farm I’ve ever been at has a “mudroom” (I think they call them mudrooms because cow shit room doesn’t sound very nice) where they strip off their cow shit encrusted clothes, shower and change into clean stuff.  The rooms need to be hosed down and bleached regularly to clean up any residual cow shit so they are usually tile or concrete, kind of industrial looking.  Many even have their own dedicated washing machines so the farm clothes aren’t mixed with the other household stuff.  With farm girls whether they do farm work or support work usually depends on how many brothers they have.  My girlfriend with no brothers milked cows (and showered in the house mudroom when she was done), the one with 6 brothers was allowed to do no barn work (much to her protests), and the one who had only one brother fed the chickens and collected eggs before coming in to handle most of the breakfast preparation. The story is credible.
 
To the naysayers: Why do you insist that just because you never had it happen to you that it could never happen to anyone.  When news reports purported that President Clinton got a blow job from some chubby intern in the oval office, I thought, “there is no way he could be this stupid, maybe Markie Post but not Monica Lewinski!”  Who would have guessed that Monica had a DNA impregnated dress to prove it!  So why do we need to have a camera crew follow us around, have an AP story, or produce a cum stained dress for DNA testing to post an experience on THIS forum.  If you think a story looks false then move on to one that doesn’t or if it really bothers you find another website, but don’t flame the poster just because you can’t fathom someone else’s world.  Just because you never had the chutzpah to get a Lewinski under your desk at work doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen to some lucky dog everyday.  
 
Truth can be stranger than fiction.
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This is another GREAT experience from the female perspective.
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 7:53am »
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Hmmm. so many common elements from previous stories abounding. I'm smiling. Wink
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 9:48pm »
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Rodney,
Great story.  Undoubtedly a common experience at one time.  You said you would have found that experience humiliating.  Actually, if you had grown up that way you would have found it perfectly normal.  When you were a baby your mother undoubtedly bathed you.  If your mother told your older sister to bathe you you would not have objected.  As you grew older if your sister continued to bathe you you would have regarded it as perfectly normal.  Even today if there were 13 children in the family and no hot water heater they would probably bathe the kids in exactly the procedure you just described.
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 30th, 2009, 6:56pm »
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Oh man!  This is one of the hottest things I've read on here!  Sorry to be posting to late, but I just joined the site recently.  Laura, I hope you're still around and reading this stuff.  It's hard to find gals who are into the power aspects of cfnm, and I hope you haven't been scared off.
 
I know I'll probably get flamed for this but...
 
I think it's hot that enjoyed seeing your brothers naked (which is totally normal) and that you enjoyed their being embarassed by it.  You didn't say how old you were when this stuff was going on or how old you and Jamie are today.  But (and here's where I may get flamed), I think you should have fun with his embarrassment and continue to embarrass him if you derive pleasure from it.  And he may be like me and a lot of other guys -- humiliated and turned on by his humiliation.
 
Is he married?  If so, maybe you can explain the situation to his wife and see what she thinks. Maybe she'd help to arrange a way for you to examine him again (if that's what you want).
 
Do you have neices?  You may want to share your experience with them, cause they may learn empowerment techniques or how to control certain boys and men in the future.
 
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 2nd, 2009, 6:58am »
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Answer to "superfluous"
 
I don't think that you are right for the nudity in movies or TV screens at least now.
 
we can see as often a men naked than a women, particularly  his backsides rather than a frontal view on genitals which is always very seldom.
 
I am a french, so I see a lot of european movies and I am sure that I am right for theses countries and as I see also many american movies, it seems to me that it is true also for the american movies
 
As regards the teenagers, it is even the opposite of what you said, we can see much more often a boy naked than a girl in the media
 
It occurs in many circumstances for a boy to be naked : spanking if it is an old movie, swimming in a lake or a river, changes clothes in a locker room, bathing at home, taking a shower in group after sports, and for young men of course physicals for military service or showers or check of cleanliness during their active duty.
 
In most of these circumstances, we can see clearly the naked buttocks of one or several boys, or young men,  but not their genitals. It is still a taboo.  
 
As regards the stories of bathing in farm, I believe that they are true, it was also like that in France in the past  for the previous generation
 
 
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"As far as this 'double-standard' of female nudity being more protected (I've seen this pop up al ot here), I disagree for the most part. If society was so protective of female nudity why do the folowing things exist?:
--the accepted practice of girls flashing their breasts for beads, even at sporting events
--the fashion trends women practically have no choice but to follow or are duped by society that wearing hip-hugger jeans that make their thongs visible along with super-small shirts is part of the 'norm'
--the huge amount of female nudity vs. male nudity in the media--there's EASILY 100 times more female nudity, and when there is a penis shown in a movie, it requires an X or NC-17 rating...
 
Anyway, I just don't think that males can even begin to cry 'doublestandard' when we as males haven't faced the types of oppression and manipulation that women have--historically AND presently... [/quote]
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« Reply #22 on: Feb 3rd, 2009, 12:53am »
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Rodney:
 
Your scenario isn't much different.  The key here is who is going to be heating the water while the boys are bathing.  It has got to be mother and the older girls.  You said yourself that the younger boys are going to be bathed by the mother and older girls.  The boys are used to being seen naked by their sisters and the girls are used to seeing them naked.  As long as the girls are heating the water I see no cause for change.  As long as there is no water heater, this show will be run by the caregivers.
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« Reply #23 on: Feb 3rd, 2009, 7:13am »
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Double standard? Yes.
 
Girls can choose to "flash" people, which they also do riding down the highway and on carnival rides.
They aren't forced to wear sexy fashions, though most do feel they have to because other females do.
 
Men who flash are thrown in jail. Only when forced to appear nude (or as art models) are men relatively safe.
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Hi.  I would like to confirm the Easterman's post regarding male nudity in movies and on TV in Europe, and more specifically in France.  I'm also French and I watched a lot of movies coming from everywhere (America, Africa, Asia, Australia and, of course, Europe).  I can tell you that there is a lot of male nudity in movies, more and more now.
 
From time to time, we have, in France, full frontal male nudity ("37'2 le matin", "Ridicule" for the first two examples which come immediatly in mind) or actors who show their back.  I also watched at German, Dutch, Finland, Swedish, Spanish movies where we can find male nudity.  But I suppose it is easier to find movies from other countries in France than in the USA.
 
Regarding TV, I don't watch a lot the programs during the day (I finish my work late), but I often download bits of programs displaying male nudity.  Now, I also know other countries such as Scandinavian countries or the Netherlands, are not afraid to show male nudity on TV.
 
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i think the standard depends on the culture and up bringing of people in various environments
 
even before men would always show genitals to female as society before was patriarchal and it was the job of the female to care for the man
 
right now the standard has switched a bit in the more popular cultures maybe like america and europe but flashing boobs as way different from flashing genitals that is why a lot of places allow topless for females but if ever a female showed her genitals, its the same treatment with the male
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Re: CFNM in the family
« Reply #26 on: Feb 14th, 2009, 12:52am »
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on Feb 5th, 2009, 7:59am, boybakang wrote:
i think the standard depends on the culture and up bringing of people in various environments
 
even before men would always show genitals to female as society before was patriarchal and it was the job of the female to care for the man
 
right now the standard has switched a bit in the more popular cultures maybe like america and europe but flashing boobs as way different from flashing genitals that is why a lot of places allow topless for females but if ever a female showed her genitals, its the same treatment with the male

 
So true, and as I am sure Boybakang will agree, here in Asia it is very common still, for a wife to bath her husband when he comes home from work, which may involve a shower or bath, even if she is also working.  
Its a cultural thing which really has not died even though female rights are just as strong here as Europe or the states.  
Asian ladies enjoy being female and most certainly enjoy looking after their men, when they actually begin to get tired of it, they will quite often find a younger "second wife" to look after their old man while she relaxes in the knowledge that she chose the "second wife" and she will look after him for her. This is very common in Thailand.
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« Reply #27 on: Apr 25th, 2009, 3:53pm »
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I recall a family gathering in my youth, probably a 4th of July party, where one of my male cousins was confined to bed having just returned from hospital where he had been circumcised.  At one point my aunt gathered all the female cousins, including my sister, to visit the boy in his bedroom.  About six girls were involved, from ages 6 to 16.  The boy was about 11 and was shocked when his mother pulled back his bedcovers to show the girls the results of the operation.  She explained why it is important to have male babies circumcised at birth to prevent the more difficult and painful procedure later. The boy was mortified to be seen by his sisters and cousins.  My sister told me the story after we got home.
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« Reply #28 on: Apr 26th, 2009, 8:18am »
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Lauraj's original story sounds A LOT like my own family and the attitude that male nudity is non-sexual, that females are not in any way interested in the male body that males do not not need any modesty of any kind when they are bathing or toileting.
 
I know I have written that we boys we not allowed to use the outhouse because there were so many of us we made it dirty so we peed right off the front porch usually and weand pooped in the yard or out behind the barn right in the open and if girls were there "oh well".
 
However, at least ONE of my sisters and her friend DID enjoy it and they would always show up when I was squatting behind the barn pooping. They would laugh and tease me about seeing it come come out of me and then they would steal my overalls and make me chase them naked in to the woods (in summer I would be wearing JUST a pair of overalls, no underwear, and I would have the overalls off so I wouldn't poop on them).
 
I am also willing to bet that at least ONE of Lauraj's brothers is still turned on by cfnm.
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Laura,
 
I hope you will not let your brother lay a guilt trip on you.  For years I was powerfully drawn to CFNM.  I repressed these desires because I thought they were abnormal in some way.  Only recently did I discover that other people have the same interest.  Seeing your brothers naked was in no way incestuous.  Your brother's attitude reflects an unhealthy American attitude toward the human body and sexuality  I am not expressing this very well because I myself have recently abandoned a very Puritanical view of sex and have adoped a much healthier attiude.  I know where your brother is coming from, because I have been there, have gotten over it, and now I feel free!
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« Reply #30 on: Jun 1st, 2009, 11:12pm »
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odysseux,
 
Very well put, as my attitude towards CFNM has progressed like yours, to a more secure, enlightened view. While you formerly repressed it, I would have been traumatized by it, especially as a teen! However, I don't have any sisters. I would feel secure with some of my female cousins seeing be nude today, but I am not sure how I would feel, about CFNM with a sister. It could go either way, and I'll never know!
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Odysseux,
 
I guess it would depend on how you were brought up and what was the mindset.
 
I was always in various states of nude with my cousins (younger and older) than me and they just never took it as obscene and bad.
 
Even now during reunions, some cousins would stay at our home and I would walk around nude even more the household help to see without any issue.  This would be the same for sisters I guess as well.
 
Although I have sported a hard on infront of them from time to time, I have never yet climaxed/ejaculated in front of them.
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« Reply #32 on: Jun 2nd, 2009, 5:02pm »
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"Lauraj" : your story is amusing and I think that it is true because all seems to me credible in the past and in a farm where there was no bathing rooms  but I have some difficulties to understand your feelings.  
 
If you could have seen your four brothers and even your father naked every day and during a lot of years as you related it, I doubt that you really enjoyed to see them and thought that you had a power on them because you were dressed and they were naked in front of you.
During the first week, I can understand your feeling but after you would be used,  it became something too much common, it was routine day after day!
 
It was certainly a common situation in the past in rural areas when there was brothers and sisters because few people had  bathing roomsin their home, particularly in rural areas.
 
It was also common of course  for young men who became work miners but  even also for men who were coal miners.  
It was so much difficult to remove all the dirtiness of their bodies that they needed some help when they were washing.  
 
Generally, the mother was washing the father, her husband, and she asked her older daughter to help her to wash her sons, even when  they were teenagers and had began puberty, everybody has seen some pictures of this in movies or documentaries about families of miners in the past!  
It was the case in the movie " how green is my valley"
 
And I don't see any clue of double standard  in these situations, don't forget that only the young men and men were working in mines or were doing the most dirty works in farms, so they were more dirty than women and it was normal.
nobody in that time thought that this was an embarrassing situations, girls were educated to care about childs and men.
 
It had been always the case in the past that sisters helped their mother to care about her brothers, particularly by dressing them or washing them.
 
Of course, it must be different today because a daughter is not only educated to become a wife and a mother as it was in the past!
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Brome clay:
 
I do not intend this as criticism at all, I just wanted to point out that it is now accepted in medicine that there is no reason at all for circumcision.  It is not necessary for the health of the male and does not cause cervical cancer in women.  Unfortunately, and against my wishes, my wife had both of my sons circumcised.  Fortunately my daughter-lin-law refused to have this useless operation performed on my grandson.
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on Jun 4th, 2009, 1:06am, Youngren wrote:
Brome clay:
 
I do not intend this as criticism at all, I just wanted to point out that it is now accepted in medicine that there is no reason at all for circumcision ...   

This is especially true if one disregards this information posted on the renegade website run by the U.S. National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health:
 
Circumcision Can Reduce AIDS Risk, Study Shows
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_83438.html
 
Circumcision Guards Against STDs
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_82137.html
 
It is also now "accepted" that the U.S. did not really put a man on the moon with 1969's Apollo mission, it is not legal for the U.S. Treasury to collect income tax, and the World War II Holocaust of Jews was also an elaborate hoax.
 
We now return you to reality.
 
I do not intend this as criticism at all, I just wanted to point out that "opinion" (to which everyone is entitled) is sometimes stated as "fact" on the Internet.
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I just wanted to point out that "opinion" (to which everyone is entitled) is sometimes stated as "fact" on the Internet.

 
While that is true, Rick, it is also true that in the past  the most august medical bodies in the world at various times have also said that male circumcision prevents several types of cancer (in both men and women), limits the likelihood of gonorrhea, syphilis, and other STDs, and significantly reduces the occurrence of other diseases & conditions and even masturbation! Every one of those claims was later retracted, even though your citation on STDs brings that subject back again. In addition to making all of these false claims the "authorities"  who propound them often leave out 1) the fact that most of the cancers "prevented" are quite uncommon anyway, and 2) (where the argument is one of reduction rather than elimination) how great the reduction actually is, in percentages. Or if they do include them, those numbers are challenged successfully in the later, debunking study. And on it goes.
 
I have been reading these claims for the presumed advantages of circumcision all my life. In each case the pattern seems to be that about 5 to 15 years after a particular advantage is widely touted as "certain", it suffers a complete reversal, only to be followed by yet another discovered "advantage" to take its place. I can only conclude that there is a constituency out there of people who benefit one way or another from the notion that circumcision is "good". These folks, it seems, can be counted on the take up the cudgels in defense of circumcising by touting everything from medical advantages to psychological advantages to spiritual advantages. For this reason, I remain extremely skeptical of whatever the new claims of medical or other advantage are. As does my doctor by the way, a Jewish woman who mentioned to me last year that she had decided to not have her son circumcised, after she and her husband had done an exhaustive review of the medical literature. Part of her reasoning was that it should be his decision when he gets older, not hers. Neither she nor her husband was particularly impressed with the evidence in favor. Plus she was aware that foreskins have a good deal of nerve endings that provide pleasure.  
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on Jun 4th, 2009, 9:39am, Allan_C. wrote:
Plus she was aware that foreskins have a good deal of nerve endings that provide pleasure.

Say what now....?    Shocked
 
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Travess, if your comment was serious about foreskin nerve endings I am pretty sure it is true that about 30% of all penile nerve endings are in the foreskin. I have read that several times. That was the theory behind the late 19th century advocacy of circumcision in America -- to prevent or at least discourage boys from masturbating.
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... In each case the pattern seems to be that about 5 to 15 years after a particular advantage is widely touted as "certain", it suffers a complete reversal, only to be followed by yet another discovered "advantage" to take its place ...

Hi Allan_C.--
 
I appreciate your comments and do not pretend to be an authority on the efficacy of circumcision. My purpose was to point out that the controversy over circumcision cam hardly be considered settled.
 
Every parent should make his/her own best decisions.
 
Thanks for adding some further perspective to the discussion.
 
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on Jun 5th, 2009, 1:45am, Allan_C. wrote:
I am pretty sure it is true that about 30% of all penile nerve endings are in the foreskin. I have read that several times.

I have to admit, to having NEVER read a single solitary word on the subject, so couldn't honestly comment one way or another on any Literature put forth. What I do know is, that I have lived the Entire 34 yrs of my Life, with my Foreskin intact, and have never found the sensations on that particular area, to be any different than that of the skin on my big toe, or even my elbow.
 
Since reading your remark, I have however also spoken to several of my Male friends on the Subject (all of whom are Uncircumcized) and all were a little bewildered by the concept, of the Foreskin being a Source of Pleasure....! (Other than it being Funny to look at that is!)
 
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Hi Travess.  
 
Don't know about you and yours but I can attest that I feel a lot of sensations in my foreskin. I recall when I was younger I could masturbate to ejaculation by manipulating almost exclusively my foreskin. To this day, I find it the part of my penis that first responds to touching to bring on sexual excitement. (That is, to the degree physical contact -- rather than emotional, psychological or even intellectual energy -- is providing the sexual excitement, it starts in my foreskin.)
 
This is from Wikipedia:
 
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At the end of foreskin, there is a band of tissue called the ridged band, which, according to one study, is rich in nerve endings called Meissner's corpuscles.[2] According to a study by Sorrells et al., the five most sensitive areas of the penis are on the foreskin.[3]

 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreskin
 
(In my case, it is the last quarter inch or so of my foreskin which is so very sensitive, consistent with the quote.)
 
The article also contains various pro and con arguments about the importance and sensitivity of the foreskin. These are consistent with what I mentioned earlier -- that there seems to be a never-ending discussion if not a 'battle' about the usefulness or not of the foreskin.
 
My own experiences are such that I find my foreskin quite sensitive and I would most definitely not want to be without it (the occasional stuck zipper notwithstanding), but obviously others' mileage may vary.
 
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Maybe its psychological....?
 
I've always hated my Foreskin (well, as least as long as I can remember), and as such, probably disassociate any pleasure that comes with it...!(though I can't attest for my Friends!)  
 
I have always felt, that if we had a Boy, Circumcision would be the only way to go. But that choice would have been based solely on my own experiences, which could possibly have been quite off the mark...!
 
Who'd have Thunk...?
 
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« Reply #42 on: Jun 6th, 2009, 8:34am »
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Methinks this is one of those 'grass is greener' phenomena.  I'm cut, but get turned on by the visual aspects of uncircumcized dick in all of its states.   There's just enough mystery involved.  But to be truthful (not that anyone asked or cares to hear), I've only ever looked at them, never had any first-'hand' experience.  I don't know how it would be to live with one.  I'm sure I wouldn't want to get the foreskin caught in a zipper or tear it from too hard a workout.
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I'm circumcised--and happy enough in my ignorance of the proper care and manipulation of a foreskin--but I used to read (in more than one source) that there were occasions when a retracted forskin could become "locked" in a painful position when an erection occurred.  I'm perfectly willing to believe that that was nothing but pro-circumcision propaganda!  But I would prefer to ask those with personal experience, whether this is true, or entirely bogus.  What about it?  
 
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It has certainly never happened to me. The only thing painful I can recall from my foreskin is a couple of times having it caught in a zipper -- that is painful enough to insure that you make that mistake no more frequently than every 20 or 25 years. And I got a sore frenulum once or twice while having intercourse, or trying to, with a particular woman whose vagina did not lubricate sufficiently (before she told me that she was "bisexual"). The frenumlum is the little piece of skin at the base of the penis head that links to the foreskin from the shaft. It is removed during circumcision. You also have a frenulum under your tongue connecting it to floor of your mouth, a couple more attaching your lips to your mouth, and women have a tiny frenulum attaching the clit to the clit hood. In all cases it acts like a little hinge.
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on Jun 6th, 2009, 4:57pm, Will_CRASH_Reuther wrote:
I'm circumcised--and happy enough in my ignorance of the proper care and manipulation of a foreskin--but I used to read (in more than one source) that there were occasions when a retracted forskin could become "locked" in a painful position when an erection occurred.  I'm perfectly willing to believe that that was nothing but pro-circumcision propaganda!  But I would prefer to ask those with personal experience, whether this is true, or entirely bogus.  What about it?  
 
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I've never had any problems, either.  But like any other organ, the prepuce (foreskin) can have troubles.  Some are associated with the symptoms you describe.  Here are three:
 
Balanitis: Inflammation of the penis head (glans).  Sometimes causes inelasticity of the foreskin, which might make it painful or difficult to pull back.
 
Phimosis: Where there is constriction of the male foreskin so that it cannot be pulled back over the glans of the penis.  This generally occurs during physical development and is not likely to occur or reoccur at a later age.  
 
Paraphimosis: This is a condition where there is constriction in the glans penis by a piece of proximally placed foreskin.
 
I've never heard of the prepuce becoming "locked"...it really is  a very flexible organ generally.  Phimosis could conceivably be described as "locking," but it is better described as constriction.  But it is rare...about as rare as having a deformed hand or arm as a birth defect.
 
Check it out:
 
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/symptom/prepuce-problems.htm  
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Dr. Oz did a program recently on the penis.  In that program he touched on the subject of circumcision.  What he said is that the National College of Pediatricians takes no position as to circumcision.  He did indicate that the justification for it is for reasons of hygiene ahd he did mention that there was reason to believe that it was easier to pass HIV if you were uncircumcised.  Apparently the practice will continue to be controversial.  
 
My only comment would be that the burden of proof is obviously on circumcision.  My general opinion as to any operation is that if it isn't absolutely necessary, don't do it!
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on Jun 25th, 2009, 5:55pm, Youngren wrote:
Dr. Oz did a program recently on the penis.  In that program he touched on the subject of circumcision.  What he said is that the National College of Pediatricians takes no position as to circumcision.  He did indicate that the justification for it is for reasons of hygiene ahd he did mention that there was reason to believe that it was easier to pass HIV if you were uncircumcised.  Apparently the practice will continue to be controversial.  
 
My only comment would be that the burden of proof is obviously on circumcision.  My general opinion as to any operation is that if it isn't absolutely necessary, don't do it!

 
Well said, Youngren.  Not to be at all argumentative…but I would like to address the two points he puts forward: Hygiene and HIV.  If someone is concerned about hygiene, he or she is dealing with a male who doesn’t bathe regularly.  In the shower there is nothing special about the penis.  You just pull the prepuce back and run some soap and water over it.  If you are dealing with someone who can’t do that, you are hanging out with the wrong kind of people (ie, people who use methamphetamines are known to fall into the habit of never bathing or brushing the teeth).
 
Circumcision started in America during the masturbation hysteria of the late Victorian Era, when a few American doctors—notably Dr. John C. Kellogg, the wacky naturopath whose life was chronicled in the film “Road to Wellness”—advocated circumcising boys to punish them for the “evil” of masturbating.  It was believed that circumcised penises would be difficult to manipulate to ejaculation—they didn’t know cause they certainly weren’t circumcised themselves.   Roll Eyes
 
When practically a whole generation had become circumcised in the US, and men tended to be embarrassed about the (then) malformation, there were invented a whole host of hygiene issues, which they then used to justify circumcising their children.  Around again it went.  In the mid-90s the US was over 90% circumcised, while the UK and nations of Western Europe are overwhelmingly uncircumcised.
 
A massive US Navy study started in the early-1940s debunked all but one of the hygiene myths—the one: circumcised men tend to get urinary tract infections more than uncircumcised men.  In other words the prepuce (foreskin) is a form of protective labia that appears on nearly every orifice on the body (think eyelids, buttocks, lips, prepuce and on women, labia and specifically, the hood; the nose and ears are protected in other ways, but must remain open to function) and help keep out infectious agents.  Today, partially as a result of organizations such as "Doctors Opposing Circumcision,” the proportion of circumcised in the US has dropped dramatically.
 
 
From “Doctors Opposing Circumcision”  (doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/DOC/circumcision_quiz.htm)
 
Take this quiz, and find out whether you believe the myths that far too many doctors believe, or whether you are an informed layperson or a foreskin-friendly physician who knows and understands the scientific facts about circumcision.
 
1.  As regards pain, circumcision:
A.  Does not hurt.
B.  Is excruciating for an infant as well as an adult. Tightening the circumcision clamp puts crushing pressure on a large area of sensitive skin.
 
2.  The foreskin is:
A.  A useless piece of skin
B.  An integral part of the male sexual organ, containing most of the nerve endings of sexual pleasure.
 
3.  During circumcision, the infant:
A.  Goes to sleep.
B.  Withdraws into a state of neurogenic shock (coma), due to sudden massive pain.
 
4.  With respect to functions, the foreskin:
A.  Has no function. It is “just a piece of skin.”
B.  Has at least three major functions:
1.  Protection of the glans penis, an internal organ.
2.  Coverage of the shaft of the elongated, erect penis.
3.  Provision of most of the nerves for sexual response
    (the ridged bands on the inner lining of the foreskin).
 
5.  With respect to cancer of the penis, circumcision:
A.  Prevents it.
B.  Has nothing to do with penile cancer. (American Cancer Society, 1989)
 
6.  With respect to ethics, a doctor who performs a circumcision:
A.  Is practicing reasonable medicine.
B.  Violates all seven Principles of the AMA Code of Ethics; violates a primary tenet of health care, First, Do No Harm; and violates the Golden Rule.
 
7.  With respect to human rights, a doctor who performs a circumcision:
A.  Is within his rights.    
B.  Violates a basic human right, the right to an intact body. The infant has the right not to have normal body parts removed without his express consent. The doctor has failed to obtain the informed consent of the mutilee. The doctor is violating the Nuremberg Code of Ethics, which regulates experimentation on humans.
 
8.  With respect to safety, circumcision is:
A.  Safe
B.  Kills an unknown number of U.S. infants every year.
 
9.  With respect to complications, circumcision has:
A.  Very few complications
B.  A 100% complication rate – in every instance the loss of a useful organ. In addition, there are many unrecorded complications, including deaths. Health costs of circumcised boys 5x those of intact boys!
 
10.         The loss of foreskin:
A.  Has no effect on later life.
B.  Contributes to inferior sexual relations, which leads to increased divorce rates, increased violence, increased exposure to sexually transmitted diseases, and contributes to impotence, especially after age 40.
 
If you answered A to every question, you believe in myths. If you answered B, you are informed with the latest scientific information on this harmful procedure.
 
The reason that doctors accept these myths, when they usually are eager to accept the scientific evidence on most topics, is that circumcisers are almost always victims of the procedure. An important body part has been stolen from them and they have great difficulty dealing with that loss. If they are women practitioners, they have either agreed to having their sons’ foreskins amputated, or they did a number of circumcisions without thinking, then lacked the courage to acknowledge the harm they had caused.
 
The purpose of this brief questionnaire is to help people better understand how doctors can be so misled, and so misleading.
 
   George C. Denniston MD, MPH
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Why is the most "advanced" nation in the industrialized world alone in practicing a disturbing archaism from less enlightened times? In "The Saharasian Connection," Dr. James DeMeo, who calls circumcision "an ancient blood ritual ... that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with medicine, health, or science in practically all cases," puts forth this hypothesis: "The fact that so many circumcised American men, and mothers,  
nurses, and obstetricians are ready to defend the practice in the face of contrary epidemiological evidence is a certain giveaway to hidden, unconscious motives and disturbed emotional feelings about the penis and sexual matters in general."
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« Reply #48 on: Jun 25th, 2009, 10:12pm »
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The AIDs connection comes from the unfinished French/South African study.  The French pulled out of the study because of methodological improprieties.  In other words, cheating.  You can’t make up data.  The South Africans apparently put their agenda before truth, and that doesn’t cut in legitimate science.
 
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New study finds the key to understanding the global spread of AIDS is the size of the infected prostitute community around the world
In new academic research published today in the online, open-access, peer-reviewed scientific journal PLoS ONE, male circumcision is found to be much less important as a deterrent to the global AIDS pandemic than previously thought. The author, John R. Talbott, has conducted statistical empirical research across 77 countries of the world and has uncovered some surprising results.
 
The new study finds that the number of infected prostitutes in a country is the key to explaining the degree to which AIDS has infected the general population. Prostitute communities are typically very highly infected with the virus themselves, and because of the large number of sex partners they have each year, can act as an engine driving infection rates to unusually high levels in the general population. The new study is entitled “Size Matters: The Number of Prostitutes and the Global HIV/AIDS Pandemic” and is freely available online at the PLoS ONE publication website at http://plosone.org/doi/pone.0000543.
 
The study has a number of important findings that should impact policy decisions in the future. First, male circumcision, which in previous studies had been found to be important in controlling AIDS, becomes statistically irrelevant once the study controls for the number of prostitutes in a country. The study finds that the more Muslim countries of North Africa do indeed suffer much less AIDS than southern and western Africa, but this lower prevalence is not due to higher numbers of circumscribed males in these Muslim communities, but rather results from the fact that there are significantly fewer prostitutes in northern Africa on a per capita basis. It appears that religious families in the north, specifically concerned fathers and brothers, do a much better job protecting their daughters from predatory males than do those in the south. A history of polygamy in these Muslim communities does not appear to contribute to hi gher AIDS prevalence as previously speculated. In a frequently cited academic paper, Daniel Halperin, an H.I.V. specialist at the Harvard Center for Population and Development and one of the world’s leading advocates for male circumcision, weighted results from individual countries by their population. When this artificial weighting was removed Talbott found that circumcision was no longer statistically significant in explaining the variance in AIDS infection rates across the countries of the World.
 
Second, to date, there has not been an adequate explanation as to why Africa as a continent is experiencing an AIDS epidemic far in excess of any other region of the world with some African countries’ prevalence rates exceeding 25% of the adult population and tens of millions dying from the disease on the continent. Talbott’s new study suggests that the reason is that Africa as a whole has four times as many prostitutes as the rest of the word and they are more than four times as infected. Some southern Africa countries have as many as 7% of their adult females infected and working as prostitutes while in the developed world typically this percentage of infected prostitutes is less than .1%. If these 7% of infected prostitutes in Africa sleep with five men in a week that means they are subjecting 35% of the country’s male population to the virus weekly. The virus is not easy to transmit heterosexually, b ut over time with multiple exposures, infection is inevitable. These men then act as a conduit to bring the virus home to their villages, their other casual sex partners and to their wives.
 
The study has important policy implications. Several international AIDS organizations have begun to provide funding for male circumcisions as a deterrent to AIDS. While male circumcision may indeed reduce the risk of transmission by some 50% to 60% in each sexual encounter, reducing single encounter transmission rates alone cannot control the epidemic. The reason is that individuals in highly infected countries have multiple contacts with the infected so reducing transmission rates only defers the inevitable.
 
The real question is what can be done with the prostitute community. Outlawing the world’s oldest profession would most likely prove to be ineffective. If the profession can be legalized and treatment and care provided to the practitioners, there would be much more reason to be hopeful. But, and this is the key, programs of action can not just be voluntary. Too many innocent people are dying and there is too much disregard for human life among infected prostitutes to leave treatment decisions solely up to them. A program of testing and treatment for prostitutes must be mandatory and those that refuse treatment must be held liable.  
Many international aid organizations are against such mandatory treatment programs for prostitutes as they find them to be discriminatory, violate the individual’s human rights and are perceived as an attack on female prostitutes who are viewed as victims of gender and income inequality. Such organizations do not properly weigh the loss of human rights and life itself that this virus, unleashed on a community, is causing. This virus, itself, is a violation of human rights and we must do everything in our power to stop it. To argue we should do nothing about infected prostitutes during an AIDS epidemic because of a fear of creating a stigma against the infected would be like an animal rights activist claiming that a rabid dog must be allowed to run free in a neighborhood regardless of how many men women and children he infected and killed.
 
It is not surprising that computer models rarely show the virus reaching epidemic proportions; it is very hard to transmit this illness heterosexually. Only when model building researchers introduce a highly sexually active infected subset of “prostitutes” to their mathematical models does the infection spread exponentially to the general population.
 
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« Reply #49 on: Jun 26th, 2009, 1:32pm »
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Two excellent postings on circumcision, MW. Good going.
 
Since my last posting on the subject (earlier in this thread) I have come into social contact with a woman who, in her 60s, still pickets the White House and other US governmental bodies on the general subject of being against genital mutilation and against male circumcision in particular. She is a well-degreed professional who essentially subscribes to the position as expressed in one of your notes: "The reason that doctors accept these myths, when they usually are eager to accept the scientific evidence on most topics, is that circumcisers are almost always victims of the procedure. An important body part has been stolen from them and they have great difficulty dealing with that loss. If they are women practitioners, they have either agreed to having their sons’ foreskins amputated, or they did a number of circumcisions without thinking, then lacked the courage to acknowledge the harm they had caused." Prior to meeting her I was not aware of how widespread the opposition to male circumcision has become and how organized it is. More power to them!
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Despite the low key backlash against circumcision, in recent years, I repeat that I am happy with it. I would consider foreskin to be extra baggage to have to carry around. Also, it makes cleaning so much easier, not to have it!
I wish a poll could be taken among women, as to:
 
A) Which type of penis feels better, during intercourse?
B) Which one is more attractive to look at?
 
I earlier reported how a girl I work with said, in 2000, that she was pleased that her husband was that way (circumcised). Other girls feel differently. I believe each type of penis is capable of pleasing women, but would like to know what a majority of girls think!
Finally, I have seen on other threads here that  severe infections can develop, in uncircumcised penises. The pictures were not pretty!
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Despite the low key backlash against circumcision, in recent years, I repeat that I am happy with it. I would consider foreskin to be extra baggage to have to carry around. Also, it makes cleaning so much easier, not to have it!

 
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All good questions.  The "cleaning" issue I have aready dealt with.  I trust you were circumcised by your parents at a young age and don't remember ever not being circumcised, so how do you know "cleaning is so much easier?"  What do you compare it with?
 
I gather you are an adult, over the age of 21.  Your satisfaction with the status of your penis is great.  The issue arises with a three-day old infant who is unable to consent to genital mutilation.  I believe that borders on a crime.  This is particularly so when the real reason for such a needless surgical procedure is done simply for the psychological confusions of the parents.
 
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Which women do you poll?  American women or European women?  Beauty is in the eye of a beholder.  I remember when I dated a blond, Finnish woman and I was carrying on to a black female friend about how beautiful she was.  Her poignant response was, “would she be beautiful as a black woman?”
 
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Uncovering the truth about women's pleasure
Edward Guthmann, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, July 15, 2007
 
In "The Book of the Penis," a frisky almanac of all things phallic, author Maggie Paley dedicates a brief section to circumcision, foreskins and the effects they have on female sexual pleasure. "Foreskins don't matter that much to most women," Paley concluded. "When it comes to penises, women can get used to almost anything."  
Paley probably understated the case. Women really do care, if you bother to ask, but in most cases their experience is limited to circumcised men. Especially if they're American and older than 25.  
 
Starting in the postwar years and peaking in the 1960s, circumcision was de rigueur for American male infants. Ninety percent of new parents opted to alter the penis, believing it was the hygienic choice. By 2003, because of changing attitudes and a large influx of Asian and Latin American immigrants who traditionally do not circumcise, that number dropped to 55.9 percent.  
 
I wrote about the shift in a June 21 Chronicle article, "Circumcision losing favor with U.S. parents," and the e-mail response was huge. Men bemoaned their parents' choice. Women advocated for foreskin restoration. Doctors and parents disputed the urologist quoted, who denied that circumcision is "brutal."  
 
People are vociferous on the foreskin question, none more than Kristen O'Hara, the author of "Sex as Nature Intended It" (2002), in which she claims women are more likely to enjoy intercourse if their male partner is uncircumcised.  
 
"On the natural penis," O'Hara writes on her Web site, sexasnatureintendedit.com, "the soft, flexible foreskin cushions the coronal-ridge hook (of the penis head, or glans) and prevents it from scraping the vaginal walls, giving only pleasure, not soreness. ... The loose, pliable foreskin bunches up on the outward stroke to create a seal that holds fluids in. Lubrication stays inside the vagina."  
 
For years, O'Hara says, she suffered pain and discomfort during sex with her husband. She wondered if the problem was hers. The problem, she finally concluded, wasn't her own dysfunction -- what psychologists used to call "frigidity" -- but "the abnormal structure of the circumcised penis."  
 
Like 85 to 90 percent of American men born in the 1950s, '60s and '70s, O'Hara's husband, Jeffrey, was circumcised at birth. Twenty-one years ago, he went through a foreskin restoration process and ever since, O'Hara said in an e-mail from her home in Massachusetts, "sex became a beautiful thing again and was no longer painful. That's when I realized that millions of women are having abnormal sex because of circumcision, and millions of women fake orgasm because of it."  
 
For her book, O'Hara surveyed 139 women, drawn through classified ads in various publications. By a margin of 9 to 1, she says, they preferred the natural penis over his maligned, circumcised cousin. When the man is cut, O'Hara found, women are "almost five times less likely to achieve vaginal orgasm."  
 
With her Web site, O'Hara keeps her campaign alive. Photographs of "cut" and "uncut" penises are liberally used, along with testimony from the women surveyed, such as: "I went with one circumcised guy who was into long sessions. After a while, I'd start to feel as if he were sandpapering me down there."  
 
O'Hara says she never consulted physicians or sex therapists in researching her book. "Sexuality has been, and continues to be, a relatively taboo topic, and the research money is just not out there. So there were no so-called experts to refer to. But I think the information at the Web site makes sound logical sense and is at the cutting edge of this controversial topic."  
 
Susie Bright, editor of the annual Best American Erotica series, has spent the past 20 years studying, writing about and lecturing on sex. If anyone's a sex expert, Bright is. And she thinks O'Hara is full of hooey.  
 
"Some people make a cause out of their sexual preferences, and find an eager audience," Bright said by e-mail from her home in Santa Cruz. "You can buy books about how black men supposedly have larger or more 'magic' penises than white men, too. The myths are apparently catnip to many."  
 
In 1988, South African filmmaker Jo Menell ("Mandela") was living in the Bay Area when he made "Dick," a short documentary about women's thoughts about penises. "The thing I remember most clearly," Menell said by e-mail from South Africa, "is the women I listened to saying that circumcised men were better lovers because they lasted longer. Whether circumcised [penises] hurt -- I don't recall any women making that point."  
 
Paley is also dubious. "I've never heard this, ever," she said by phone from New York when I mentioned O'Hara's claim that uncircumcised penises are more pleasurable to women.  
 
When Paley was researching "The Book of the Penis," she says, the cut-vs.-uncut debate "didn't come up all that much. There was a young woman who only liked men with big penises and also liked them to be uncut because she felt a big penis was manly and so was an uncut penis. It was unfettered, it was free, it hadn't been tamed by the forces of civilization."  
 
Of the circumcised penis, O'Hara writes, "the head flares out from the shaft like the hook on a harpoon. This hook is overly firm and constantly exposed, and on every outward stroke it scrapes vaginal walls, causing irritation, redness, discomfort."  
 
Bright, who also hosts a weekly talk show, "In Bed With Susie Bright," says the cut-vs.-uncut question really clouds the issue of female sexual fulfillment. "The big thing that's missing from this discussion," she says, "is women's (clitorises). That's how most women get off."  
 
As for O'Hara's "harpoon" statement, she says, "It's not 'true,' it's not scientific. Men's (penis) heads are not harpoon hooks, circumcised or not."  
 
Bright says she has no problem with people declaring their sexual preferences "from the rooftops," but "to make it into a biology lesson or draw these conclusions that circumcised penises are unsafe and hurtful, is completely unsupported. Why can't people just love their fetishes for what they are?"  
 
In the gay world, lots of men fetishize uncircumcised penises, in the same way that "size queens" exalt large penises. Foreskin Quarterly is a magazine devoted to the appreciation of uncut men, and in online gay sex postings the person seeking contact usually states his penis size and cut-or-uncut status.  
 
But according to Bright, women generally don't fixate on genitalia as much as men. Carol Leigh, a sex historian and prostitute who calls herself Scarlot Harlot, is an exception. Raised in Long Island by Jewish parents, she says she's always adored uncircumcised penises because "they're exotic. It's extremely sexy to a nice Jewish girl from the suburbs."  
 
When Paley was researching her book and asked about fellatio, she says, most women said they preferred circumcised. Foreskinned men "are harder to go down on," one said, "because they have folds. And you don't know what you're going to find there."  
 
A New York yoga instructor, who chose not to give her name, agrees: "I can't help but feel that smegma (or other fluids) get trapped inside and they are not appealing to me." On a purely esthetic scale, she adds, "I much prefer the look of a circumcised penis. I can't help but think that the uncut looks serpentine -- and I'm afraid of snakes."  
A mother of two teenage children thinks the uncircumcised phallus looks like "an anteater." Kathy Brew, a New York filmmaker who was one of the interviewers on Menell's movie "Dick," said a number of the women she spoke to described it as "an elephant's trunk."  
 
Anteater. Serpent. Elephant's trunk.  
Can Mr. Johnson get some respect?  
 
"Circumcised is my preference," says Brew. "Maybe it's just convention. Maybe familiarity." Indeed, circumcision was so widely practiced in the United States until the 1980s that most women over 25 have little or no experience with uncut men. I spoke with one woman, 56, who slept with 110 men in the footloose 1970s -- she kept a record -- and swears only one of her lovers was uncircumcised.  
 
If the reverse were true, and uncut men were the vast majority, wouldn't women feel more squeamish about knobs than they do about hoods?  
 
Maybe not. "Most women, unfortunately, do not pay a lot of attention to a man's penis," Bright says. "They've been brought up not to look or dwell on a part of the body, or to sexualize one's genitals. If more women took an interest in their sexual self-interest, we'd see more of this conversation among women."  
 
E-mail Edward Guthmann at eguthmann@sfchronicle.com.

 
There’s your poll.  Increasingly, women are beginning to discover that the uncircumcised penis is a far more rich and soothing experience than the circumcised one.  Surprise, surprise…Nature had it right all along.  Go figure.  But as this article points out, most women don't give a damn.  They are not fixated on the penis as much as men.
 
The real point is, if you really care about your child and not just your own ego, let him reach 18-years of age and decide for himself.  You wouldn't commit him to a certain university or a certain profession at age 3-days, would you?  You wouldn't plant a tatoo on him or pierce his ears at age 3-days.  Let him make up his own mind when he's old enough to consent.
 
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Finally, I have seen on other threads here that severe infections can develop, in uncircumcised penises. The pictures were not pretty!

 
In my profession people often come to me and tell me how they could get $5-10 million for their injury because they saw it in a newspaper how so-and-so was awarded that much.  I simply ask them, ‘Why do you think it made the papers if it’s so common?’
 
I ask you, why it made it on those other treads if “severe infections” are so common?  Why did it distinguish itself?  The fact is, S-Donald, that it is a highly charged, political question today and people have foregone opinions on the issue.  People lie on the Internet in order to make their case on political questions.  They posted pictures, not statistics.
 
It’s better to deal in clinical facts, not what you hear on the Internet.  There are plenty of articles around that are technical, medical papers that can enlighten you.  I've just posted three such papers.  I have many, many more, all written by noted physicians and researchers who have a professional interest in the issue, and I'm sure I will post them as these issues arise.
 
It’s also useless to generalize from specifics.  If you mean you have actual “photos” of such infections, and you haven’t posted them, you still have to argue that it is something you can generalize about.  There are nearly 300-million people in the US.  Let’s say that males represent 50%.  Let’s also say that 50% of males in the US are circumcised.  You would still have to post 37.5-million photos of serious infections to say that even half of uncircumcised males have such problems.  I suspect you have probably seen 3-4 such photos, if any.  I can probably find on the Internet 3-4 photos of people with 6 toes, or a dog with 5 legs.  Does that mean that all dogs are not pretty?
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I am certainly no expert, but just here to throw my opinion in.
 
My boyfriend is uncircumcised and I find his penis 100% desirable because of who it's attached to. It would not make any difference to me if he was circumcised.  
 
I have seen plenty of circumcised and uncircumcised penises and I don't have any "issues" with either. A penis by itself is not enough to make a man attractive or unattractive and when they are erect they look very similar anyway. When a guy is naked, my judgement on whether he has a nice body does not hinge on the presence or absence of a small piece of skin on at the end of his penis.
 
It's rather like asking is a hairy leg or a smooth leg attractive. The answer is it depends on what the leg is actually like, not whether there is hair on it. Is the guy quite fit with nicely toned thighs or is he some kind of slob who looks a mess?  
 
As for hygiene, I would expect any man to ensure his penis was kept very clean regardless of whether or not he has foreskin. Or he certainly would not be climbing into bed with me.
 
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As MW's research confirms, different attitudes for different women.  
Yes, my mother had the circumcision done to me, when I was about 2/3 days old. I have NEVER missed the foreskin, and am happy the way I am. As a baby boomer, I am in the majority, among my age range, when it comes to circumcision, at least here in the U. S. A. . Even though the practice has declined in recent years, a slight majority of baby boys are still getting the procedure done, so it is not a taboo to have a baby boy circumcised, right after he is born.  
That woman's comparing a circumcised penis to "sandpaper on her vaginal wall" is far out! I doubt too many other women have had similar experiences, with circumcised penises!
As far as cleanliness is concerned, it is much easier to clean a smooth surface, than to have to lift foreskin up, and move it around, while bathing!  
It may be true that I can't remember having foreskin, but I can easily imagine what having it would have been like. That being said, I reiterate my satisfaction over not having any! To each man, his own, though. If MW, or any other guy is happy with foreskin, who am I to criticize them? I'm just happy the way I am!
 
BTW, I understand "baby boomers" to include those born between 1946-1964.  Some people differ with that time period.
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Yes, my mother had the circumcision done to me, when I was about 2/3 days old. I have NEVER missed the foreskin, and am happy the way I am.

 
I am truly happy that you are satisfied with your penis, particularly since probably nothing could be done about it in any case.
 
But, notice how you have reversed the question.  Instead of saying ‘why do it?’ you say in essence, ‘why not do it?’  Clinically that posing of the question has no meaning.  Medicine is a positive science, meaning it wants to know ‘why you do it?’, not ‘why not?’  Medicine’s first ethic is “Do no harm.”  Why introduce trauma to any human body part if is there is no reason.
 
The reversal of the question then allows you to say, “I have NEVER missed the foreskin, and am happy the way I am.”  How would you know you have never missed it if you’ve never had one in your life?
 
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As a baby boomer, I am in the majority, among my age range, when it comes to circumcision, at least here in the U. S. A. . Even though the practice has declined in recent years, a slight majority of baby boys are still getting the procedure done, so it is not a taboo to have a baby boy circumcised, right after he is born.

 
It was 56.1% circumcised to 43.9% natural at the end of 2006, and falling, with big regional variances.  http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/USA/
 
I have no way of scientifically evaluating “taboos.”  And having a majority vote means nothing in the hard reality of the natural law world.  The only meaningful way to evaluate the issue of circumcision is to pose it in a hypothesis or hypotheses, as in (a) performing a circumcision leads to what beneficial results (?); and (b) performing a circumcision leads to what disbeneficial results?  It’s not up to you or me; it’s up to the facts.  That’s why I have tried to provide articles and information on the subject.
 
Incidentally, you are aware are you not that US law makes the equivalent in women illegal.  Neither a labia rescission nor a hoodectomy may be performed without a definite medical recommendation, specifically relating to a disorder or malady in the patient.  That’s probably the way it should be handled, absent the circumcision hysteria that has gripped this country for the past century
 
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That woman's comparing a circumcised penis to "sandpaper on her vaginal wall" is far out! I doubt too many other women have had similar experiences, with circumcised penises!.

 
Kristen O’Hara used a sample of 139 women and found that 90% of them prefer the natural penis and they are five times less likely to achieve a vaginal orgasm with a circumcised man.  O’Hara is out there, but I think like CJ said, most women would look to other things for their preferences.
 
Another thing that is far out…check this out:
 
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The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported that a Boston bio-engineering company is "harvesting" foreskins to make a quasi-synthetic skin for burn victims and folks with skin disorders. While this may be a medical advancement, the notion of people walking around with someone else's foreskin is a bit bizarre, especially if it wasn't necessary to remove it from the kid in the first place!

 
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As far as cleanliness is concerned, it is much easier to clean a smooth surface, than to have to lift foreskin up, and move it around, while bathing!

 
How much easier?  Seriously, it’s much easier to pull back the foreskin than to get the soap out of your butt crack.   Cheesy
 
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It may be true that I can't remember having foreskin, but I can easily imagine what having it would have been like.

 
I doubt that.  A prepuce is not just a flap of skin.  It is an organ having multiple functions.  To try to construct in your mind what it is like when you are missing one, and never experienced one, is fancy.
 
I do agree with you on this: to each his own.  If you’re happy then I'm happy.  None of what I say goes to you personally.  The issue is the practice of circumcision, not any one person.
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I was circumcised when I was 23 years old, therefore know what its like to have and not to have. I am happy not to have and much prefer it this way.
 
I have one son who is 12 years old now, he should have been circumcised already according to the custom of his mothers country, but I have stood firm and refused to let this happen despite repeated warnings of "he is not a man until he has been circumcised" as this is a rights of passage here in Asia.  
I stand a very good chance of being asked by my son why the hell I never let him get circumcised! He will be ridiculed by his peers when he is older! and will most probably decide to get it done. But it will be his choice as it should be.
 
Now it seems to me those who have not had it done seem to love bringing up the fact that those that have been circumcised very young do not know what they are talking about because they have never experienced having a foreskin in the first place, well that is very true. But those of you uncircumcised guys have never experienced being circumcised either and therefore don't know what the hell you are talking about too!
 
Therefore on the argument side, yes it should be up to the individual to choose....no more to discuss.
 
For those uncut gentlemen who like to keep reminding us cut gentlemen how much we are missing out by not having a foreskin....go get circumcised and come back to argue with some fact behind you!  
For those cut gentlemen who like to argue being circumcised is better because of this or that....why bother?
 
Just one other thought, there are other parts of the body which used to have a reason for existence but are no longer used as our lives have changed over the last 10,000 years..............
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on Jun 25th, 2009, 4:03pm, MW wrote:

 
Phimosis: Where there is constriction of the male foreskin so that it cannot be pulled back over the glans of the penis.  This generally occurs during physical development and is not likely to occur or reoccur at a later age.  

 
"Phimosis" seems to match what I vaguely recall reading about, as a child.  Wikipedia's essay, in particular, hearkens images that seem familiar to me.  
 
As I said, I've always wondered whether the "warning" against failure to circumcize was real or bogus.  There was a vague feeling, deep inside my brain, that I now recognize as the humming of my "bullshit" alarm, but did not fully recognize in the comparative innocence of my youth.  I'm glad to have this propoganda nailed for what it's worth!  
 
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I have no conscious memory of being uncut, so I'm happe with how I look and have no way of knowing if I've missed anything sensation wise.
 
I suppose we really ought to be concerned here with which women prefer. Of course if they prefer uncut some of us won't be able to do a thing about it -- but I actually wouldn't change iy if I were uncut and they liked the opposite.
 
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Therefore on the argument side, yes it should be up to the individual to choose....no more to discuss.

 
Good for you malibug for permitting your son to make his own choice.  If he complains, tell him he is perfectly free to do what he wants when he’s old enough to evaluate the question.  He should appreciate the gift you have given him.
 
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But those of you uncircumcised guys have never experienced being circumcised either and therefore don't know what the hell you are talking about too!

 
It’s not quite the same.  (I think we are trained by politicians to always see the dialectic in every argument; but it is rarely the opposite when applied.)  You have had the greatest experience of all of us: you have experienced what it is like to be both cut and uncut at an age where you are conscious of what’s going on.  In the US that is very rare.  Absent that, I believe that the uncircumcised individual is in a better experiential position.  It is better to have a prepuce and imagine what it is like to be without it, than to have no experience whatsoever and have to construct in your own mind what it is like to have one.  I mean, that’s where the assertion ‘it’s just a piece of skin’ comes from…utter lack of experience.  The uncut individual at least has some data with which to work.  The cut individual is simply adrift.
 
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For those uncut gentlemen who like to keep reminding us cut gentlemen how much we are missing out by not having a foreskin....go get circumcised and come back to argue with some fact behind you!  For those cut gentlemen who like to argue being circumcised is better because of this or that....why bother?

 
Frankly, I haven’t heard anyone assert that kind of schadenfreude in ages…not since the US became much more erudite about the whole subject of circumcision.  I think that when the discussion comes to the physiological differences between the cut and the uncut penis—particularly when the fact is mentioned that 60% of the nerve receptors of the penis are lost when the prepuce is excised—circumcised individuals tend to feel (and it would only be natural) an implied criticism of them in this fact.  They become a bit defensive.  But, they are the only ones I hear this from: pro-natural exponents do not have any emotional investment unless they have been wrongfully circumcised by their parents—and then it’s personal only to themselves.
 
That is why I took the time when S-Donald and I were finished discussing the matter, to emphasize that a discussion about a medical procedure is not a discussion about him (or me) personally.  There’s no reason to feel personally defensive about any objective, scientific discussion.
 
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Just one other thought, there are other parts of the body which used to have a reason for existence but are no longer used as our lives have changed over the last 10,000 years..............

 
That’s another matter altogether.  The male prepuce still serves a very valid and valuable function.  So, for that matter, does the female prepuce.
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on Jun 28th, 2009, 3:42pm, PC wrote:
I suppose we really ought to be concerned here with which women prefer.

I am confident you will find some of us prefer one or the other, but personally I enjoy both  Grin
 
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My hang-up has always been erecting in front of my sister and/or female cousins. When I was 9-12 my older sister Susan would make me strip infront of female cousins or even worse neighborhood girls. They always got excited watching me erect. I absolutly hated it and only wished I would die when Susan decided to give a show. She teased me as I grew but most of the other girls would just stare as I erected infront of them. It felt like I was giving away all the male secrets as the girls got to experience my erection! They knew exactly what I looked like! I remember feeling as if my penis would burst as it turned deep red and boubced off my stomach! Susan would handle me and make my boner wiggle. Younger girls always loved seeing that and wanted to try. Susan liked to see me embarrassed so she thought nothing of letting them touch my penis! I would all but choke as the girls would openly play with my erect penis, especially the girls in the neighborhood.  
I remember going to my cousins house when I was 11 and Susan took us to the woods where she made me strip and erect for 2 female cousins and 2 of their girl friends. The worst part was the laughter as you can't do anything about what your erection does but they laugh at you anyhow! My sister always allowed the girls to touch and feel. That was the worst part. At that point there was little left to their imagination! Their friends were all about the touching and said they had never seen a boy naked before let alone touching. I was at their mercy as all 5 girls teased me and made fun of how my penis looked and how they knew what it felt like. I will never forget that feeling as I had to just let them play as I stood totally exposed and embarrassed! That night was the first time I ever masturbated about being seen naked.
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« Reply #62 on: Jun 30th, 2009, 6:52am »
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Thanks for sharing your tale, it was different. DHow long did your sister have you do these "shows" ? Did you ever get revenge?
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Some guys have all the luck.
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In my personal opinion an uncircumcised penis looks nasty. In most pornos the guy is circumcised, why? cause uncircumcised looks unattractive in porn.  
 
When I see that the guy in a porno has an uncircumcised penis I skip it.  
 
There's too much extra stuff. To much skin moving around when a women is giving a blowjob. A nice pair of lips wrapped around a nice tight skin shaft and a big head looks amazing. Not some droopy skin moving around and covering the head.  
 
Forget the fact the its clean, not clean, unnecessary or whatever. It looks nasty.
 
My too cents.  
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Singledonald,
About mom, she drank allot and yes was an alcoholic. That made Susan and I children of an alcoholic! From the meetings I attended children of alcoholics tend to be enablers ie.we allow things to go on even though we know better. Susan was a childhood alcoholic and I figure that was what made her so mean. When I tried to tell on Susan she just got one of the girls who wanted to see me nude and had her lie. Susan was older and had her friend to colaborate so I got the whoopin'! I soon realized Iit was better to just let things go.  
Yes, you are right about learning to like the CFNM! At first I about died everytime I was exposed and made to let them see me erect! Susan loved seeing me shame in front of 3 or 4 girls. Whwn I was 9 & 10 I would hate the fact that the girls got to know about boys and they got to watch me get erect! I felt like I was letting boys down teaching the girls all about our body. At 11 I was starting to enjoy the thrill and found I really enjoyed it.
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peel2005,
Susan was a really mean person. Her idea of fun was watching me erect infront of other girls and seeing my embarrassment. I remember one day I was nude infront of 4 of her friends for about 3 hours. That was tops and if I remember correctly the constant handling of my erection that day caused anabrasion on my penis! I think at her birthday sleep-over I was nude longer but there were only 2 girls there and they didn't play as much. Usually 2 hours was tops for her little shows and she mostly enjoyed letting the girls (between 8 and 13) see me grow to full and laugh as my penis erected infront of them.  
As for revenge Susan was 3 1/2 years older than me. She had mom fooled about what was going on. I saw her nude once and she did make me pay for that in a most embarrassing way! Susan was killed at 23 when she was driving drunk killing herself and the driver of the other car. I still have dreams about the things she made me do infront of her friends and my female cousins. But again as I told singledonald, I learned to enjoy the embarrassment the more she it.
The thing I enjoy the most in CFNM is what happened to me! I would live to hear of or watch vids on males erecting in front of females. I still get a thrill when I hear a story involving a male exposed and forced to grow infront of females.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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maddog,
 
I, and I'm sure all, appreciate you sharing the unfortunate family background you had to endure, as a young boy. Today, of course, there are social service agencies that any similarly abused boy or girl could go to.  
I'm sorry Susan's alcoholism got her killed, at 23. I must say though that your learning to enjoy CFNM was instrumental in overcoming any bitterness that Susan and mom caused, while you were growing up. Susan had SOME NERVE getting upset at you seeing all of her!
If young boys experience CFNM, it would be healthier if they did so in a more congenial environment. Be thankful, though, that your youthful experiences didn't scar you for life.
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on Jul 3rd, 2009, 7:38am, SingleDonald wrote:
... I'm sorry Susan's alcoholism got her killed, at 23 ...

I have no sympathy for drunk drivers.  Don't forget she took a presumably innocent other driver with her.
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