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« on: Feb 9th, 2013, 3:59am »
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He doesn't get completely naked, but the women are quite obviously, and genuinely enjoying this Calvin Klein model on the Ellen show:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3bNJQvMme0
 
I wish I could see more of this from CFNM.  What I've always wanted was the thought that women were in control of their sexuality, and actually enjoyed it--not merely some object of male fantasy as portrayed in so much of porn.
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 9th, 2013, 7:05am »
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75% of the women in that audience would have fucked or sucked him right there in studio.  I love it when real women show their real desires!  
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Most enjoyable video. Thanks. The expressions of the women in the audience were priceless.  
 
Still I find it odd that avowed lesbian Ellen D. exhibited SO much enthusiasm for this male model in his underwear. She really must be a great actor afterall, or a good businesswoman.  
 
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 9th, 2013, 11:54am »
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Here's one i posted a few weeks ago in case you missed it
 
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 9th, 2013, 5:00pm »
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on Feb 9th, 2013, 10:54am, Hooked6 wrote:
Most enjoyable video. Thanks. The expressions of the women in the audience were priceless.  
 
Still I find it odd that avowed lesbian Ellen D. exhibited SO much enthusiasm for this male model in his underwear. She really must be a great actor afterall, or a good businesswoman. Thanks again.

 
I like the concept of 'avowed lesbian'. Like there was some choice implied in the matter, like being an 'avowed Christian'.
 
Maybe seeing that prat with his risible haircut in his trolleys 'cured' her, momentarily.
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on Feb 9th, 2013, 5:00pm, chaoslord621 wrote:

 
I like the concept of 'avowed lesbian'. Like there was some choice implied in the matter, like being an 'avowed Christian'.

 
Interesting expression but I certainly understand it.  With gay men, they're often treated like pariahs.  Those with effeminate mannerisms are naturally distasteful to other men. And there aren't women lining up to convert them, even if there are some that like to befriend them.  But there are hoards of men that jump to the front of the line to convert cute lesbians like Jodie Foster.  And I think that there are a significant number of women that become lesbians in today's society - not so many years ago, because they're sick of men and it's now cool to be one.  So the expression "Avowed lesbian" is a code word for men to leave them alone.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 9th, 2013, 5:57pm »
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on Feb 9th, 2013, 10:54am, Hooked6 wrote:
Most enjoyable video. Thanks. The expressions of the women in the audience were priceless.  
 
Still I find it odd that avowed lesbian Ellen D. exhibited SO much enthusiasm for this male model in his underwear. She really must be a great actor afterall, or a good businesswoman.  
 
Thanks again.

I think Ellen knows her audience pretty well, and knows what they like.
 
Also, sexuality is considered by many experts to be very fluid.  The Kinsey scale is a reflection of that.  Many aren't just simply gay, straight or bi.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 9th, 2013, 6:06pm »
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on Feb 9th, 2013, 5:57pm, Anon wrote:

 
Interesting expression but I certainly understand it.  With gay men, they're often treated like pariahs.  Those with effeminate mannerisms are naturally distasteful to other men. And there aren't women lining up to convert them, even if there are some that like to befriend them.  But there are hoards of men that jump to the front of the line to convert cute lesbians like Jodie Foster.  And I think that there are a significant number of women that become lesbians in today's society - not so many years ago, because they're sick of men and it's now cool to be one.  So the expression "Avowed lesbian" is a code word for men to leave them alone.

I've met some people that have tried "switching orientation" like that because they're sick of men or women or whatever the case may be.  It doesn't usually last very long.
 
Sexuality, for the most part, isn't really a choice.
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Anon wrote: "So the expression "Avowed lesbian" is a code word for men to leave them alone. "
 
That's EXACTLY the context I meant when I described Ellen D. as an "avowed Lesbian."  Thanks for illustrating my point better than I did.  
 
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 9th, 2013, 9:24pm »
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on Feb 9th, 2013, 5:57pm, Anon wrote:

 
Interesting expression but I certainly understand it.  With gay men, they're often treated like pariahs.  Those with effeminate mannerisms are naturally distasteful to other men. And there aren't women lining up to convert them, even if there are some that like to befriend them.  But there are hoards of men that jump to the front of the line to convert cute lesbians like Jodie Foster.  And I think that there are a significant number of women that become lesbians in today's society - not so many years ago, because they're sick of men and it's now cool to be one.  So the expression "Avowed lesbian" is a code word for men to leave them alone.

 
Jodie Foster? WTF?
 
 
I wonder if we're ever going to see any hot female models going topless on Ellen's show.
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on Feb 9th, 2013, 9:24pm, Pipe_Dreamer wrote:

 
Jodie Foster? WTF?
 
 
I wonder if we're ever going to see any hot female models going topless on Ellen's show.

 
I very much doubt it . . . that would be a PIPE_DREAM!    (Sorry for the pun. I couldn't resist.)
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on Feb 9th, 2013, 6:06pm, altercheetah wrote:

I've met some people that have tried "switching orientation" like that because they're sick of men or women or whatever the case may be.  It doesn't usually last very long.
 
Sexuality, for the most part, isn't really a choice.

 
I agree. But there are one or two in here who regularly exhibit misogynistic &/or homophobic tendencies, either implicitly or even explicitly sometimes. I just put it down to cultural differences & move on....
 
To something vaguely related and very funny (I think), particularly the  take that efukt, er, took, on one of the Loverboys unfortunately choosing the wrong victim one night & getting an unexpected & probably unwanted response. A loverboys clip I recently stumbled across which I hadn't seen:
 
http://efukt.com/20768_Feminist_Attacks_Cocky_Stripper.html
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on Feb 9th, 2013, 9:24pm, Pipe_Dreamer wrote:

 
Jodie Foster? WTF?
 
 
I wonder if we're ever going to see any hot female models going topless on Ellen's show.

 
 
I don't know how old you are but I'm the same age as Jodie and met her at Yale.  Jodie was drop dead gorgeous and is a great person and I was floored when I found out she was gay.
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on Feb 10th, 2013, 11:22am, chaoslord621 wrote:
To something vaguely related and very funny (I think), particularly the  take that efukt, er, took, on one of the Loverboys unfortunately choosing the wrong victim one night & getting an unexpected & probably unwanted response. A loverboys clip I recently stumbled across which I hadn't seen:
 
http://efukt.com/20768_Feminist_Attacks_Cocky_Stripper.html

 
That was a great vid.  Even though some of the male strippers might be a bit aggressive, I was wondering what that woman was even doing there.  The stripper spraying whip cream all over her head was great.
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on Feb 9th, 2013, 10:54am, Hooked6 wrote:

 
Still I find it odd that avowed lesbian Ellen D. exhibited SO much enthusiasm for this male model in his underwear. She really must be a great actor afterall, or a good businesswoman.  
 
Thanks again.

 
Or perhaps a person's sexuality is a highly complicated, and individual aspect of who they are, and we can't simply create 3 or 4 boxes  to fit the entire world, and put every person into his or her box, and shut the lid with packing tape.
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Or perhaps a person's sexuality is a highly complicated, and individual aspect of who they are, and we can't simply create 3 or 4 boxes  to fit the entire world, and put every person into his or her box, and shut the lid with packing tape.

 
Maybe you can't do every person, but you can do most.  We're so obsessed with placating the freaks that we ruin society over them.
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Or perhaps a person's sexuality is a highly complicated, and individual aspect of who they are, and we can't simply create 3 or 4 boxes  to fit the entire world, and put every person into his or her box, and shut the lid with packing tape.

 
Wow!  You said it all here, dwyern.  And very succinctly.  Bravo, sir, Bravo.
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I don't know how old you are but I'm the same age as Jodie and met her at Yale.  Jodie was drop dead gorgeous and is a great person and I was floored when I found out she was gay.

 
I'm 54. Never seen her as gorgeous at all. Great actress yes but gorgeous no. Never even register a twitch on my Dick-O-Meter.
 
If I was going to be converting a lesbian there are way hotter ones out there.
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Maybe you can't do every person, but you can do most.  We're so obsessed with placating the freaks that we ruin society over them.

 
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I agree. But there are one or two in here who regularly exhibit misogynistic &/or homophobic tendencies, either implicitly or even explicitly sometimes. I just put it down to cultural differences & move on....
 
To something vaguely related and very funny (I think), particularly the  take that efukt, er, took, on one of the Loverboys unfortunately choosing the wrong victim one night & getting an unexpected & probably unwanted response. A loverboys clip I recently stumbled across which I hadn't seen:
 
http://efukt.com/20768_Feminist_Attacks_Cocky_Stripper.html

 
I love the way the cymbal crash in the background music coincides perfectly with the slap.
 
That voice over right at the end really cracked me up too. Probably because it was so unexpected
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on Feb 11th, 2013, 12:42am, girlies wrote:

 
I love the way the cymbal crash in the background music coincides perfectly with the slap.
 
That voice over right at the end really cracked me up too. Probably because it was so unexpected

 
LOL You're right about the cymbal crash.  It was perfect timing.
 
I was hoping to find more commentary about this as it seemed pretty unusual.  With male strippers there tends to be much more hardcore interaction with the audience as I think this what the women want.  Usually a woman just shakes her head no and the stripper goes onto the next woman.  This woman's actions look like borderline assault.
 
I suspect a lot of these male strippers feel more like court jesters rather than objects of eroticism so I don't think it would take much to set one off.
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She seemed to be pretty into it and having a laugh when he offered his cock to her friend and he didn't exactly shove it in her face (like in other loverboys scenes).
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If a woman is going to have such a visceral reaction to an exposed penis up close and personal then why the hell would she go to one of those shows?  Maybe she could just choose a luncheon with her friends.  The stripper has no way of knowing which women in audience would want physical contact unless he makes a move like that.  Like you said he kept a fair distance away.
 
I'd be curious if they..
 
1.  went on with they show like nothing happened.
 
2.  booted the woman.
 
3.  stopped the show as this might have killed the atmosphere.
 
Obviously male strippers aren't in the same category as say the London Symphony Orchestra but as performers they should be afforded at least some respect.  The woman is lucky she didn't get decked.
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A lot of the 'in yer face' stuff the Loverboys used to do looks like borderline assault to me frankly, as, unlike the fake 'Dancing Bear' strip vids, or Partyhardcore setups, the females had actually paid a few quid to go to a Ladies Night, bought their own drinks & done their makeup nicely & spent ages doing their hair to look a bit nice before going out, & got dressed up, as women do.
 
So the last thing they wanted was to be covered in fake cream or whatever that crap is. The fat brutish-looking guy in the Loverboys always used to face-slap the girls with his foam-coverd dick & mess their hair up, which I always think was one step too far.
 
Umm, like, one step further than shoving your erect dick in their mouth. At least that didn't mess up their clothes & hair though.
 
Much.
 
(EDIT 1 minute later, as I read John's post) "Obviously male strippers aren't in the same category as say the London Symphony Orchestra"
 
That made me laugh out loud just after a mouthful of vodka & orange. You owe me a new keyboard, John.
 
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A lot of the 'in yer face' stuff the Loverboys used to do looks like borderline assault to me frankly, as, unlike the fake 'Dancing Bear' strip vids, or Partyhardcore setups, the females had actually paid a few quid to go to a Ladies Night, bought their own drinks & done their makeup nicely & spent ages doing their hair to look a bit nice before going out, & got dressed up, as women do.

 
I was wondering about those dancing bear vids.  Here is some info I came up with.
 
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/159240?page=2#comment-825157
 
Here's the deal on Dancing Bear.   It is filmed by the same guys who do Bang Bus.  The rent out a strip bar or swing club when it is closed, usually 8-5 or something like that.    
 
They hire 5 or so "pros" to be plants in the audience.  The rest of the girls are hired off of Backpage or Craigslist to be extras.   However, the extras will be paid more than the usual amount if they decide to interact with the dancers.  I think they get $100 for just clapping and cheering, but they get double or triple that if they give a blowjob or whatever.
 
The "pros" are the ones who get most of the onscreen time.
 
Here are some guaranteed tipoffs that it is fake, if you don't believe me:  
 
First, there is nowhere on the web where you can hire the Dancing Bear show.   A real male review would have a website looking for business.
 
Second, all of the women in the audience are drinking water or soda.  Where is the booze?  Ever heard of a bar where they didn't serve drinks?
 
Third, there are no bartenders, or waitresses.   Obviously someone needs to be bringing the audience their drinks.  You can see in the background that the cash registers and computers are all turned off and the bar is dark.
 
Fourth, you can never see the name of the club or any sort of indentification of where they are.   Real nightclubs have their name plastered everywhere.
 
Fifth, at the end of every episode you can see the women getting tired and zoning out.  Filming takes an entire day, according to the Craigslist ad, and I'm sure the women are beat from just sitting around clapping and cheering for 8 hours, it must get old.
 
If you would like to see an actual ad looking for Dancing Bear audience members, just do a search on Miami Craigslist or Miami Backpage, under the talent/actors section or whatever it is called and search for Bachelorette Party.  They don't run ads every week but it's there most of the time.
 
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110506100919AATkLMP
 
My wife is a practicing attorney in the state of Oklahoma and after she viewed the Dancing Bear website, she had to know more about it from a legal point of view. She stated,“If this website is factual and true it is in violation of prostitution laws in any state of America.” So, long story short the search for more information was on. After an extensive internet search made by my wife and two paralegals they determined the site is totally fabricated. There is absolutely no physical location or property description of where the club is, an “800” phone number to contact the Dancing Bears in order to schedule a Bachalorette party of this sort and/or any legal documents providing ownership, copyrights and/or the ability to contact the club owners.  
 
During their research, one paralegal contacted the 800 phone number provided in order to purchase the video(s). During her conversation with “Lex,” he refused to give her a location of the club and an 800 number to make arrangements for a bachelorette party with the Dancing Bear male dancers. He only wanted to sell her video membership to the website. When she asked, “Who most often calls for info, men or women…,” Lex stated that roughly 81% of the callers are male and he most often hears the comment, “I want to purchase the video in order to see if my girlfriend, fiance’ or wife are in them.”
 
By now you are probably asking why I asked this question. I will tell you why. First and foremost, I am hoping the young man that was traveling behind me reads this and knows there are no Dancing Bear male dancers in the real world. Secondly, my wife requested that I inform other men (and women) that this site is not real and was only made for personal financial gain through (further) sexual exploitation of women. In her discovery, she realized the website is manufactured by amateur porn stars wanting to make a fast buck and stated that this type of behavior does not actually occur among women attending male dance reviews or Bachelorette parties.  
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« Reply #25 on: Feb 12th, 2013, 12:54pm »
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That's very interesting, John.
 
It's immediately obvious that the DancingBear scenarios are all staged & manufactured purely as porn product, but based on the Loverboys sort of meme, only with cumshots, facials & so on, the same as Partyhardcore.
 
The legal aspect re. prostitution is also interesting, but particular to the USA I'd guess. None of the participants are hanging about on a street corner.
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One thing to consider is that even if women were inclinced to engage in that hardcore activity (blowjobs and facials), I doubt they would want to be videotaped in HD so a coworker or someone they know would see it.  What thew me off are that some of girls look like ondinary women (although some are obviously pro's).  Could be some extras that want to double their money.
 
I'm assuminjg just minor contact occurs in an actual male stripper show, much like with a female one.
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It's not in violation of prostitution laws for the same reason that porno films are legal.  There is an exception for "art" which all filmed acts of sex for money claim to be.  Actors and actresses in major porn films are paid by the sex act and charge more for some sex acts than others.
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Chaoslord, I agree about the antics of the loverboys stripper you mentioned (Andy). He really does go too far sometimes. One time he pretended to take off a girl's underwear on stage but when she then lifted her actual g-string up above her jeans waistline to show the audience that she was still wearing them, he seemed to get shitty that she spoiled his illusion. He then proceeded to try to tear off her thong via a frontal wedgie. This was eventually achieved after actually lifting the girl off the ground by her thong. She was not too happy and can be heard to exclaim "That fucking hurt!". Having said that, ;overnoys is definitely my favourite cfnm website.
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John, I always assumed that Dancing Bear was fake despite their claims. However, I have it on very good authority (an episode of Boston Legal where they defended a guy charged with using a prostitute by saying that he was making a porno because he had filmed it and it was therefore not prostitution) that it would not be considered to be prostitution.
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The biggest giveaway for the fake parties is the women themselves. In the DB stuff they are nearly always hot young females even though some of them might look like hookers. In real parties there are always a good sprinkling of wrinklies and heffers. LOL
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The biggest giveaway for the fake parties is the women themselves. In the DB stuff they are nearly always hot young females even though some of them might look like hookers. In real parties there are always a good sprinkling of wrinklies and heffers. LOL

 
I was thinking that too.  Also the lighting is way too bright.
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« Reply #32 on: Feb 16th, 2013, 12:32pm »
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Agreed. Any thoughts on Party Hardcore, anyone?
 
They claim some are ams but I tend to assume they are all pros, well, the ones giving the blowies etc anyway.
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« Reply #33 on: Apr 19th, 2013, 11:38am »
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« Reply #34 on: Apr 19th, 2013, 5:25pm »
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on Apr 19th, 2013, 11:38am, girlies wrote:
Anyone?

 
That comment sounded so lonely & sad that I felt I had to chip in.......
 
Partyhardcore. Yes, right. OK
 
Well, I think that they are East Europeans. They don't have much money there, being East Europeans, but their women are often particularly attractive, if a bit surly, lazy & boring & prone to hard drinking & looking like they're 75 when they reach 30.
 
So, what happens is, someone from Germany goes to the Czech Republic or Slovakia with lots of euros in their pocket, rents a nightclub there for peanuts, pays ten prostitutes 100 euro each, & five or six male strippers 50 euro each, puts an ad in the local paper saying "Free drinks for all women under 30 in Club X on Friday plus free admission....Warning, there may be naked men there, but no compulsion to look at them or participate in sexual activity. Wear a short skirt".
 
On Friday, ten prostitutes duly turn up, along with six male strippers.
 
The ten prozzies then proceed to suck the male strippers off as per contract & the 98 other women get ratarsed on the free booze all night whilst chatting with their mates about recipes for cabbage soup, looking away from the strippers & stealing & hiding free bottles of free cheap vodka from the bar in their handbags. They then stagger off into the night home, remembering nothing except that tip from their newest best friend Tatiana about adding monosodium glutamate to their cabbage soup on special occasions.
 
It is videod.  It is posted on Partyhardcore's site & nets 5000 times the outlay cost of the gig & everone's happy.
 
I may well be wrong, & probably am in the small details but that's my impression.
 
 
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Re: The ladies truly enjoy themselves with him
« Reply #35 on: Apr 20th, 2013, 12:29pm »
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on Apr 19th, 2013, 5:25pm, chaoslord621 wrote:

 
That comment sounded so lonely & sad that I felt I had to chip in.......
 
Partyhardcore. Yes, right. OK
 
Well, I think that they are East Europeans. They don't have much money there, being East Europeans, but their women are often particularly attractive, if a bit surly, lazy & boring & prone to hard drinking & looking like they're 75 when they reach 30.
 
So, what happens is, someone from Germany goes to the Czech Republic or Slovakia with lots of euros in their pocket, rents a nightclub there for peanuts, pays ten prostitutes 100 euro each, & five or six male strippers 50 euro each, puts an ad in the local paper saying "Free drinks for all women under 30 in Club X on Friday plus free admission....Warning, there may be naked men there, but no compulsion to look at them or participate in sexual activity. Wear a short skirt".
 
On Friday, ten prostitutes duly turn up, along with six male strippers.
 
The ten prozzies then proceed to suck the male strippers off as per contract & the 98 other women get ratarsed on the free booze all night whilst chatting with their mates about recipes for cabbage soup, looking away from the strippers & stealing & hiding free bottles of free cheap vodka from the bar in their handbags. They then stagger off into the night home, remembering nothing except that tip from their newest best friend Tatiana about adding monosodium glutamate to their cabbage soup on special occasions.
 
It is videod.  It is posted on Partyhardcore's site & nets 5000 times the outlay cost of the gig & everyone's happy.
 
I may well be wrong, & probably am in the small details but that's my impression.
 
 

 
Sweet Jesus, how did I miss this discussion?  Wow.  Anyway...
 
I've had the fortunate opportunity through doing my blogging thing to get more info on this kind of stuff.  Of course, it's all "off the record", but the information is always straight from people who are involved in the site's advertising and promotion and know what they're doing with.  So from this opportunity I've asked questions here and there and here's my two cents on PartyHardcore.
 
 
PartyHardcore is kinda what you are describing, Chaos, as you modestly allow room for error in.  You're right on with the fact that they hire bunches of amateur women and pay them in free booze and money, and have about 5 to 9 porn performers.  Perhaps even some cabbage is offered up in exchange for their attendance.  Not really sure about that one, but hey, it is the Czech Republic.  But the amateur women DO and HAVE gotten involved in sexual conduct with the strippers and the naked male waiters.  You can always see the guys working the crowd pretty hard to get SOME interaction with the girls that AREN'T hired. You all may really doubt that, but it happens - just nowhere near as often as with the paid girls.
 
I guess it's that detail of having actual amateur women in the mix that really still makes me enjoy PartyHardcore videos.  That, and they don't have completely obvious porn star looking women that get involved with the strippers/waiters.  The illusion of these "regular looking" girls going after the guys, sucking and eventually fucking them is good enough for me in about 85% of their stuff.  But like with any site, PartyHardcoreisn't gonna be great or even good ALL the time.  After all, it's a porn site.  It's just like a TV series, not every episode is going to be awesome.
 
As for Dancing Bear, I'm not real sure why people would imagine it was completely unstaged.  Yeah, they claim it to be real on their website, but let's get real, girls aren't gonna just suck cock that quickly and openly no matter how hot the stripper is.  That is especially true when they aren't drunk.  You'll notice that in almost all their videos that none of the girls appear noticeably drunk or even buzzed.  They rarely have drinks nor act socially loose enough to give that impression in my opinion.
 
But again, Dancing Bear, like PartyHardcore and Horny Birds ALL have that mixture of amateur women and the paid actresses / models.  Of course there's really only some  inadvertent explicit interaction between the amateur women and the strippers on PartyHardcore, I still enjoy the other two.  I mean, unless the filming of the video goes really long and the girls get bored, they STILL are in a CFNM environment.  They STILL give great reactions at times when the strippers come up to them, or when something particularly scandalous or funny happens between others.  I still enjoy the hell out of that kind of stuff.
 
But then again, I LOVE stripper CFNM footage from pretty much any source.  I especially love what the girls that attend real bachelorette and stripper parties film and put out through YouTube and the like.  Of course, explicit interaction is gonna be incredibly rare to get a hold of, but at least the interaction that you see is 100% real and not staged whatsoever.  And if you want that kind of stuff to just exist on a porn site, it's not all that hard to then understand why sites like Loverboys USA and Extreme CFNM can't dole out more of the awesome footage they've already got.  It's too freaking difficult to just get that sort of thing to happen.  It's all a matter of chance.  
 
I haven't had a membership for awhile, but the only site that I know that is currently going with real and with sometimes explicit interaction between the women and the strippers is Strippers In The Hood.  It's really odd to me that people don't talk more about it honestly, because it is entertaining stuff.   It's footage directly from currently touring stripper troupes and black male performers that currently are working largely on the East Coast of the U.S.. I guess perhaps the fact that most of the women in attendance are African American and usually kinda on the heavier side may play a role.  But honestly, if you're going for reality, Strippers In The Hood is as real as it gets.
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« Reply #36 on: Apr 20th, 2013, 5:24pm »
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An excellent & typically comprehensive response from you, Super, & I agree totally.
 
You note that there isn't much interest in 'Strippers in the Hood', despite it's being the nearest thing to the late great Loverboys USA setup, with real amateurs actively participating.
 
I agree, & delicately & circumspectly explain this with reference to the ethnicity of the performers & participants, which may not have a broad appeal elsewhere in the world, in a purely racial & not racist context, if I may put it in those terms.
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« Reply #37 on: Apr 21st, 2013, 11:05pm »
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Thank you all for humouring me   Undecided
 
I agree with all above. With party hardcore, I would much rather know who the ams are. I would enjoy watching a girl who I knew was an am hanging back ogling or grinning at a stripper much more  than see a possibly am girl..or possibly pro girl sucking a cock. I feel it throws doubt over every girl in the room. I'd swap more action for more certainty of reality.
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