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POSTERS 'READ' PLEASE
« on: Dec 13th, 2010, 9:49am »
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I have been running into ALOT of videos that are not even considered or remotely close to the cfnm subject. Just pure hardcore.
If a scene starts in a cfnm fashion but leads to naked sex, that may be considered okay by some means.
If a scene starts with raw naked sex with NO clothed women in sight, personally, that's just on the wrong forum. I strongly feel I may start deleting these posts for the integrity of this board.
I would like to have some output from some of the veterans of this board, and BRAD. Let's hear some.
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Re: POSTERS 'READ' PLEASE
« Reply #1 on: Dec 13th, 2010, 11:42am »
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I don't like them and a lot of them are posted for profit, or at least a free file sharing site membership.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 13th, 2010, 1:00pm »
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I'm not a veteran but I think you're right. Sometimes I posted some clips starting CFNM and going O/T at the end, but if it's completly O/T you shouldn't even ask if you've to delete the post... Just do it  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 15th, 2010, 1:04pm »
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on Dec 13th, 2010, 1:00pm, LeLeJinx wrote:
I'm not a veteran but I think you're right. Sometimes I posted some clips starting CFNM and going O/T at the end, but if it's completly O/T you shouldn't even ask if you've to delete the post... Just do it Wink

I'm completely with the above statements!  It's gotten pretty much out of control, especially with these guys that are doing site rips of non-CFNM websites and posting about 30 clips a week.  They don't do it for feedback, they don't respond to feedback, mostly because they are doing it for click-through money on the free file sharing service they upload the stuff on.
 
Although that's a separate issue, it's related as the stuff is completely O/T.  And there's tons of it here.  Seriously, just delete the content of the offending posts and type up a short explanation of why it was removed.  They'll get the point eventually and quit posting O/T stuff soon enough.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 17th, 2010, 10:26pm »
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you know when you're right you're right delete them .that's my opinion .i'm just sayin
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 17th, 2010, 11:50pm »
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I think that photos and vids that are completely off topic should be deleted, with the possible exception of occasional material that is labeled OT and has some unusual or redeeming features, particularly comedy that is labeled as such (anything that makes us laugh in a somber world is to be cherished).
 
On the other hand, I would be peremptory, indeed cutthroat, with material that seems (or is): 1) Spam, or, 2) obviously for accumulating points from uploading, per se.
 
I would also be quick to delete OT postings from posters who had been warned previously on an occasion or two.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 18th, 2010, 5:34am »
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Folks I think you are presuming you have more authority over what CFNM is than you think. This forum coined the acronym and the home site sought to define it for the world. The CFNM parties I've hosted precluded hand jobs and BJs, as that was considered open sex, and *not* CFNM. But that's ancient history.  
 
Today, CFNM IS whatever producers of porn tell us it is as they now own the acronym - money not only talks, but controls. For instance, on another forum they claim they remove or move OT material from the section of the site called CFNM. I noted that an orgy of open sex that claimed to be "CFNM", and when I noted it to the moderator, he indicated it WAS CFNM as it was labeled so.
 
But we're not innocent on this board. How many of our members post threads of open sex featuring female nudity replete with hand jobs, BJs, anal sex, and open fucking...all because it has somewhere at sometime a female who isn't naked (yet) even though the other porn actresses are and are going at it. The purpose of the Internet is for men to download porn to jack off ot, and if anything gets in their way, they scream. In the early days, REAL women would post pictures of nude men on this board for their pleasure, but the male jerk offs went ballistic claiming it was "gay", but in reality, if messed up their masturbation session while on the board. This board is full of those, most of whom lurk and download yet never say anything.
 
The porn industry is huge and it has decided to own what CFNM is and isn't. The members of this board more times than not confirm that CFNM should be for-profit, and dictated by pay sites as evidenced by the large focus many members have on them.  But God bless Mr. Smiles, who keeps it real for the true followers.
 
But I am old-school and like a lot of you, was here at the beginning when we created this form of erotica based upon what we like. So for us, it is better to go off-line and enjoy CFNM for real in ways we can still control it. But for the virtual world, I've basically given up as most "CFNM" would be considered OT had it been on our board in the good ole days.
 
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 18th, 2010, 11:10am »
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on Dec 18th, 2010, 5:34am, Brad wrote:
Folks I think you are presuming you have more authority over what CFNM is than you think. This forum coined the acronym and the home site sought to define it for the world. The CFNM parties I've hosted precluded hand jobs and BJs, as that was considered open sex, and *not* CFNM. But that's ancient history.  
 
Today, CFNM IS whatever producers of porn tell us it is as they now own the acronym - money not only talks, but controls. For instance, on another forum they claim they remove or move OT material from the section of the site called CFNM. I noted that an orgy of open sex that claimed to be "CFNM", and when I noted it to the moderator, he indicated it WAS CFNM as it was labeled so.
 
But we're not innocent on this board. How many of our members post threads of open sex featuring female nudity replete with hand jobs, BJs, anal sex, and open fucking...all because it has somewhere at sometime a female who isn't naked (yet) even though the other porn actresses are and are going at it. The purpose of the Internet is for men to download porn to jack off ot, and if anything gets in their way, they scream. In the early days, REAL women would post pictures of nude men on this board for their pleasure, but the male jerk offs went ballistic claiming it was "gay", but in reality, if messed up their masturbation session while on the board. This board is full of those, most of whom lurk and download yet never say anything.
 
The porn industry is huge and it has decided to own what CFNM is and isn't. The members of this board more times than not confirm that CFNM should be for-profit, and dictated by pay sites as evidenced by the large focus many members have on them. But God bless Mr. Smiles, who keeps it real for the true followers.
 
But I am old-school and like a lot of you, was here at the beginning when we created this form of erotica based upon what we like. So for us, it is better to go off-line and enjoy CFNM for real in ways we can still control it. But for the virtual world, I've basically given up as most "CFNM" would be considered OT had it been on our board in the good ole days.
 

 
Interesting analysis Brad, but the way I see it, the seed of cfnm has sprouted into different branches over the years consisting of different scenarios. One could imagine it all started with naked boys swimming in front of clothed women, naked parades with clothed spectators, nudist camps, etc.
Now we have femdom, clothed sex, clothed golden showers, etc. This is why my own pictorial section is called ' The Son Of cfnm'.
Breaking down the word if the 'clothed female' is present, then voila, it's cfnm.
 
I once left this forum a few years ago, so when you see the  post total I have, you can more than double that. When you said " ...you are presuming you have more authority over what CFNM is than you think," I gotta tell you I got a bit irrate but I'm calm now. You see, people like Superfluous, jack_hammer, LeLeJinx, along with a couple of others, are the modern pioneers of cfnm and I thank BRAD for introducing it to the internet. They're my mentors and I was merely waiting for there opinions.
I just want to keep this forum the way it was.
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 18th, 2010, 12:02pm »
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The problem is that if we invoke a llaissez-faire attitude because we don't want to be too restrictive on our regulars the porn hucksters like CyberGoddess seize on this loophole and drive a truck through it, ruining the forum for everyone.  How many sites do you know that are overrun by spam until they're virtually nothing but spam?  I know plenty.  I don't want to see that happen here.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 18th, 2010, 5:38pm »
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Brad:
There has to be some limit to what cfnm is.  It can't be cfnm just because someone labels it as cfnm.  I don't like femdom but I can see if the woman is clothed and the man is naked, it would qualify.  I do like to see pictures of naked women but I don't see how they would qualify.  While pay for porn sites might label something as cfnm, why does that mean it should appear here?
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 20th, 2010, 5:07pm »
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on Dec 18th, 2010, 11:10am, g_man wrote:

I once left this forum a few years ago, so when you see the post total I have, you can more than double that. When you said " ...you are presuming you have more authority over what CFNM is than you think," I gotta tell you I got a bit irrate but I'm calm now. You see, people like Superfluous, jack_hammer, LeLeJinx, along with a couple of others, are the modern pioneers of cfnm and I thank BRAD for introducing it to the internet. They're my mentors and I was merely waiting for there opinions.
I just want to keep this forum the way it was.

 
Again g-man, I was the guy that gave the eroticism the label, created a forum for us to explore it, gave it the acronym and tried to define it using the home board attached to this discussion forum. But even I was trampled over as others came in claiming they were the owners of the definition. It began over 10 years ago when I proactively recruited women not only join the site, but help in creating CFNM activities outside of the Internet. It was meant to be inclusive, not exclusive, of women. Some of these ladies posted the way one would expect - talking about CFNM from the female side of things, which, given the name of this site - Visual Sensations For Women - SHOULD have more relevance and authority over what IS and IS'NT CFNM.
 
But the women were crucified on this board as they'd post pictures of a hunk or naked guy saying what they liked, while the rest of the males on the board would attack the photos as being gay, or, flame the women off the board (yes, these were REAL women that I personally knew.) I mean, after all...if you have a virtual room full of men (and only men with no women allowed) sitting with each other and their pants down, cocks in their hand and masturbating to each others' posts and fantasies, OF COURSE you'd not want anything "gay" brought into the room as it might just shine some light on what was REALLY going on. See the hypocrisy in it all? Roll Eyes This is NOT about homophobia or problems I have with CFNM being considered gay - not at all - it's all about CFNM being defined and driven by men that want it to be a form of porn they like all while excluding the female element.
 
Nerve.com picked upon on this about CFNM when two female columnists did a column of what CFNM followers pretended it was versus what it really was (ergo, a conduit for more porn dedicated to solely to male fantasies).  
 
Of course, none of the men that controlled the content of CFNM would ever agree as it bursts their fantasy bubble - that is, they want to believe their own male-oriented fantasies are based upon what *women* want.
 
See the paradox we men have created about a fantasy that supposed to be based on female voyeurism?
 
So, here's the question, which men are correct in having the right to dictate what CFNM is, and which men are not correct? Many of the originators of CFNM that have been here from the beginning seem to get it, but some still do not. My point is that if it is ONLY men that create and share their CFNM fantasies (which given most of the material on the photos board is just paid porn actresses or even prostitutes doing it solely to fulfill male fantasies for profit) who of us men have the right to demand what CFNM is, or isn't. If it is just a bunch of guys at the helm steering the direction of and definition of "CFNM", then it comes down to nothing more of hocking the various porn products produced by the all-male CFNM industry.
 
The reason I noted Mr. Smiles in the previous post is he stands out (no pun intended) from the rest of us - he understands what true CFNM started out to be - something that requires female involvement, and not just because they're paid to do it. He brings us many real-life, unpaid women into our CFNM world and shows us the joy of it - which springs from their joy.  
 
For me, a porn actress paid to give a guy a blowjob or handjob is not what CFNM is about (she probably finds it odd that unlike her other gigs that day, the producer asks her to put her panties back on for it). I'm not saying I wouldn't find it erotic nor am I saying I don't like porn. But a girl getting a guy off by sucking on his cock, regardless of what she is wearing, is no more CFNM than a gang bang in a movie about teenage cheerleaders doing the football team.
 
And the debate will continue - yet more men upset that their masturbation fantasy isn't what they want it to be, and therefore, is NOT CFNM, because, in their opinion all men (and only men) know what "true" CFNM is.
 
 
 
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 21st, 2010, 5:47pm »
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G-man and Brad,  
 
I read your comments and I noticed that you agree at some points and disagree at some others. Who is the godfather of cfnm I don't think it really matters. CFNM was there with different names and different perspectives.  
As I see Brad wanted an erotic site driven by womens' interests and perspective. Something like this:
http://eroticaforwomen.com/ephotos.html
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http://www.karaslinks.com/main.html
The concept was that real women were getting turned on by naked guys etc. Consequently this will turn on the cfnm guys too. Guys would be turned on by being watched too. Guys and women would masturbate for different reason back in the old good times.
 
Porn Industry expanded into cfnm. Erotic-cfnm became porn-cfnm and favoured the guys' taste. The industry didn't really care if the situaton is turning on for women but rather turning on for men. Guys do not have to look sexy... women have to look sexy. The concept is not longer exclusively the desire that a woman feels for the naked body of a man but the sexual arousement that men are having when are being embarrassed, dominated, wanked or humiliated (plus being watched in awe) in cfnm situations.
I think Brad is dissappointed with this evolution. Personally I don't mind it so much however I understand that erotic-cfnm and porn-cfnm are difficult to co-exist in the same site because porn takes over eroticism.  
 
Then Porn industry went into cfnm even more and made hybrids like cfnm-nfnm... In reallity they extended the foreplay and named it cfnm. it's not cfnm it's normal porn with only cfnm-intro (as it happens with 50% of all other porn movies). G-man says "ok this is too much, let's keep it porn-cfnm and not cfnm-nfnm". Brad replies "to hell with it" cfnm is already part of the porn industry, let them do whatever they wish. I agree with g-man here but also partialy with Brad. At least let's keep it strictly cfnm (even if it porn-cfnm) otherwise, there are no rules and people will start posting everything; the forum will die as it happened to other forums without rules. I would like erotic-cfnm and porn-cfnm to co-exist but as I said I don't know how this is possible to happen.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 21st, 2010, 7:42pm »
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Barman hit on an important point that I started to post about yesterday but abandoned the post because it didn't turn out the way that I wanted it to.  
 
What I started out to say was that "Visual Sensations for Women" and CFNM may be related but they aren't the same. Brad had an idea that women would drive the site but that's not how it turned out because women have their own ideas about what they like and that doesn't necessarily coincide with what men want them to like.  And you know what?  It's the same in reverse.  Some woman started a website called "Visual Sensations for Men Cleaning the House" where women sit around like us and can't understand why men don't want to dust and vacuum or why they don't care if the house is dirty.
 
But what Barman said that I agree with is that Brad is disappointed that the site didn't turn out the way he envisioned it.  But the truth is that Brad coining the term or starting the site didn't give him any more control over human nature than he had before.  It may be a noble idea in his mind but it's one of the billion or so ideas that no one saluted when it was run up the flagpole except for some run of the mill pornographers and a few gay guys in England that shove everything not nailed down up their ass and try to trick you into paying to watch it.
 
The only thing that we really have to debate here is what is appropriate for this forum.  And I say that non-sponsor commercial porn posted for profit should be removed from here and repeat offenders should be banned.
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